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sirs

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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2015, 03:22:43 AM »
sirs what is the most probable cause for the severed spine in a van? repeated slamming, hits ...?

This is all pure speculation, but whatever caused it had to be edged, in some way.  A protruding bolt could.  Falling onto the edge of the seat could.  Being slammed against a bolt or edge of the seat could.  It's hard to speculate without knowing what level of the spinal cord was severed...was it just one level...was it completely severed or just partial.  Like I was saying before, the body's design does a pretty good job of protecting the spinal cord.  I'm having a hard time grasping that this happened with him all restrained, hands and feet, while on the floor of the van.  Looking at the inside of the van, even sharp turns would simply.....hmmmm.....lightbulb.....

...he could have suffered a compression fx or burst fx of the spinal cord if his head hit the wall of the van, if the van came to a sudden stop.  He could have slid right into it, with the top of his head hitting the wall of the van.  If the body slides with enough force, where the head is hit directly on top, you could get a burst fx of the vertebra, which inturn severs the spinal cord.  I've seen it numerous times in body surfing accidents, where someone was diving with a wave, and hit a shallow sand burm.  Or when someone dives head first into the shallow end of a pool, when the top of the head hits the floor of the pool.  With immediate medical attention, the person can be saved, depending on the level of the fracture, although likely left a quadriplegic.  However, without medical attention, the nerves supplying the diaphragm muscle, which is responsible for breathing, can be impaired to the point of causing respiratory arrest and death.

Whatever was the cause of the spinal cord injury, that would be how he died.....that his diaphragm was no longer able to functionally facilitate breathing, and the person dies from anoxia
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2015, 08:10:40 AM »
It might not be possible to make every policeman an RN
and have an MRI machine in every police station.

ha ha.....
but 20/20 hindsight might demand we equip every police car with an MRI machine!
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2015, 12:30:46 AM »
Well I will say this makes things interesting race wise....

Baltimore Police release photos of six officers charged with death of Freddie Gray:



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/us/freddie-gray-autopsy-report-given-to-baltimore-prosecutors.html
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2015, 02:10:30 PM »
So much for the perpetual inference of white cops targeting blacks
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2015, 09:03:54 PM »
This Woman Has A Brutally Honest Message For The Black Community



*Warning: Strong Language*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bL3LH30Q98
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2015, 02:22:56 PM »
They little bastards are wearing fancy suits, she says.
She has the answer to that: blue lipstick!

It is true that rioting in the streets will not bring dead Freddy back.

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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2015, 07:28:19 PM »
They little bastards are wearing fancy suits, she says.
She has the answer to that: blue lipstick!

lol...true
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2015, 06:14:28 PM »
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2015, 11:04:42 PM »
One of these cops was targeting Freddy for looking guilty and running away and then arresting him for havibg a switchblade when he did noit have a switchblade.

Freddy seems to have been rather mentally disadvantaged due to paint chips.


This should never have happened.
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2015, 11:18:48 PM »
  For Freddy Grey in particular and this incident in particular , it would seem as if the police were too proactive against a citizen who was only a potential problem, then too slow and ineffective in their responsibility to make him safe and cared for while in custody.

    Perhaps there are more facts to find, but with the story so far ,seems the fault is on the police.

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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2015, 10:54:11 AM »
EMBARRASSING: Baltimore prosecutor ripped over botched arrest warrants in Gray case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=sCvz2zGailY
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2015, 12:06:37 PM »
Of course, there are going to be people that will say that the prosecutor should not have arrested these police.
Some would prefer to see half of Baltimore burned down. 

Then they could blame Al Sharpton.
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2015, 02:28:05 PM »
Putting aside the specific events of Freddie Gray, YOU DO NOT FALSELY ARREST PEOPLE TO STEM SOME THUG LED RIOT....PERIOD
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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2015, 04:02:35 PM »
I don't?

You do not know what the prosecutor knows. 
You have not interviewed those cops.
You were not there.

Are law enforcement people only on the right side when they agree with your snap judgements?

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Re: Freddie Gray
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2015, 04:54:20 PM »
Are you incapable of reading.  I clearly stated that PUTTING ASIDE THE EVENTS OF FREDDIE GRAY, (which includes that its irrelvelent what the Prosecuter knows or doesn't know), you DON'T FALSELY ARREST PEOPLE, MERELY TO STEM SOME THUG RELATED RIOT.

ITS A GENERAL CONCEPT THAT APPLIES TO ANY ARREST
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