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Chris Rock talks about race
« on: May 23, 2015, 08:12:28 PM »
In his interview with Frank Rich for New York Magazine, Chris Rock hit upon some very hard truths about America and race.

One of those truths is that whites have made progress in dealing with race:

    Here’s the thing. When we talk about race relations in America or racial progress, it’s all nonsense. There are no race relations. White people were crazy. Now they’re not as crazy. To say that black people have made progress would be to say they deserve what happened to them before.

Black people haven't changed, they continue to be the same as they ever were, some good, some bad, and some downright brilliant. What has changed is the way they are viewed by the dominant, white culture, and the way that that culture has begrudgingly, on occasion, extended opportunities to the black community.

Doors have been opened. Not fully, and too often there is a toll that most can't afford. But there is now room for a foot in the door. Room for a black secretary of state, a black president, and even black political pundits.

Black children today are growing up in a world in which they can aim for the Oval Office as long as they never aim a toy gun in public. The messages they must be receiving from their parents who fear for their safety, but want to encourage them to dream big dreams have to be terribly confusing. 


    The advantage that my children have is that my children are encountering the nicest white people that America has ever produced. Let’s hope America keeps producing nicer white people.

You may not think that Chris Rock was speaking to liberals, but I believe he was. What so many, especially liberal whites, miss is how we benefit from the actions of the less nice white people, the racists. As long as we allow young black men to be shot in the street by the justice system that we control, or locked up in jail on minor drug charges, or no charges at all, we benefit. There is less competition in the job market when so many of them are in jail or have criminal records.

Susan Brownmiller, in her work, Against Our Will, Men, Women and Rape, showed how, even though most men don't rape women, all men benefited from the constraints that the threat of rape imposed on women. The fear of rape kept women from competing with men in many fields—it kept women off the streets at night, and that closed job opportunities that were open to men. All men do not have to rape all women for the fear of rape to be real to all women.

And all white people do not have to be racists to benefit from the existence of racial bigotry. We do benefit, and that benefit even has a name: white privilege. There would be no such thing if there weren't a class of people who were denied the same privilege.

Chris Rock is speaking to us when he talks about white people adjusting to a new reality:

    Owning their actions. Not even their actions. The actions of your dad. Yeah, it’s unfair that you can get judged by something you didn’t do, but it’s also unfair that you can inherit money that you didn’t work for.

So yeah, while not all white people are bigots, all white people benefit from their existence. We have to acknowledge that, own it, and accept it as the unpleasant reality in which we live. That is step one.

Step two is to change that reality.
Originally posted to Susan Grigsby on Mon Dec 01, 2014 at 02:52 PM PST.

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Re: Chris Rock talks about race
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2015, 07:04:45 PM »
To say that black people have made progress would be to say they deserve what happened to them before.


  I totally disagree.

    Part of the victimization was being denied education.
     This can be improved by removing legal and  financial barriers, but it cannot be eliminated without effort and skill on the part of the beneficiaries.
      Education requires a learner more than it requires a teacher .

       There is some hard-won progress, but it happens more where the people needing education seek it than where those who already have some offer it.

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Re: Chris Rock talks about race
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2015, 09:30:16 AM »
Chris Rock is right about this.

What he is saying is that in 1970, 70% of job applications from someone named Tyrone or Keisha were thrown in the trash without bothering to interview them for a job, and now maybe only 70% are pitched.

Progress would be when no one has their job application thrown out only because they are Black. Going from intolerable to less intolerable is inadequate progress.

Of course the bigots will pay no heed to a guy like Chris Rock, since they prefer to take on Al Sharpton of the days of Tawana Brawley. 
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Re: Chris Rock talks about race
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2015, 12:11:21 PM »
Did not notice it til now us asian has that name barrier problem also. I think some judge state that asian should change thier names in America due to difficulty of saying it.

But thats quite unfair on my part since my name gee is also a scottish name but people say mine is hard to say but no one has a problem when scots has that name

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Re: Chris Rock talks about race
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2015, 12:27:17 PM »
This is because there are two ways to pronounce the syllable "gee" : with a hard G as in GO or a soft g as in geography.
The Scottish and Irish name McGee can also be spelled MacGee, McGee, McGhee, MacGhee, and even Magee but it is always with a hard G.

Perhaps you have noticed that there are two systems for spelling Chinese with the Roman alphabet  in English, and neither one looks phonetic to English speakers.

Wade-Giles was devised by a couple of Englishmen, and Pinyin is the newer official system.

The result is that we English speakers are predisposed to be confused.

I doubt that most Americans could correctly pronounce Xi Jinping, or the names of his parents, Qi Xin and Zhongxun.

Of course, the family name comes first, and that is also confusing.

Chinese Americans are kind enough to take English names, so that Bruce Lee and Lucy Liu sound more like the names of humans, rather than entrees or mountains or trees.


We would have no idea that one of these names was feminine, or  even that these were not words one might see on a menu.
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Re: Chris Rock talks about race
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2015, 02:01:13 AM »
None has been able to spell my name right

It's gawk and pronounce the same way but it gets spelled knock or kwock. Im a bad speller but I wouldn't of spelled it that way

Fun fact mcgee tends to remove the mc as they enter America something about thier name is a foul slang term back home

Meaning female vagina