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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2015, 11:27:52 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2015, 12:16:15 PM »


Umpqua shooting - a tragedy, not a trend

Oct 2, 2015

By James Alan Fox

Another mass shooting sears deep into our collective consciousness,
but it is hype and hysteria on the rise, not violence.


Another mass shooting sears deep into the collective consciousness of the American people. Another school, this time a community college in an otherwise peaceful town in rural Oregon is devastated by a young man taking aim at students trapped in classrooms. Nine are murdered, and many others wounded, before the gunman is killed in a shootout with the police.

Within a few hours, President Obama appeared before the camera, reinforcing the notion that America is under siege. "Somehow this has become routine," noted Obama with obvious emotion. "The reporting is routine."

Although the sense of urgency may be overstated, Obama is certainly correct about the almost formulaic media response. The Oregon shooting had countless news outlets flooding the airwaves and the Internet with questionable statistics on the incidence of mass shootings along with sidebar listings of the deadliest shooting sprees in U.S. history. In the usual rush to offer up some breaking information, news reports were embellished with unconfirmed details about the massacre and the assailant that did little but fuel a contagion of fear.

For context, media folks reminded us of the unforgettable, high profile shootings that have taken place over the past few months, hinting of a problem that has grown out of control. They lumped together rather different types of incidents (the hate-inspired church killing in Charleston, the random shooting at a Louisiana movie theater in which two victims were slain, and the targeted killing of two employees of a Virginia television station by a disgruntled former co-worker seeking payback for perceived mistreatment) as if there is a pattern emerging.

Further adding to the state of alarm and confusion, headlines featured scary yet conflicting statistics from various sources. By reducing the standard threshold in defining a mass shooting (four or more killed by gunfire, not including the perpetrator), the incidence can reach incredible proportions. For example, the "Mass Shooting Tracker" website redefines a mass shooting as an incident in which at least four people (including the assailant) are shot, but not necessarily killed. By this criterion, there have been nearly 300 thus far this year.

Notwithstanding the sadness caused by each of these tragedies, nothing has really changed in term of risk. One can take virtually any period of months or years during the past few decades and find a series of shootings that seemed at the time to signal a new epidemic. The 80s were marked by a flurry of deadly postal shootings, which gave rise to the term "going postal." The 90s witnessed a string of mass shootings in middle and high schools carried out by alienated adolescents with access to borrowed guns, prompting the venerable Dan Rather to declare an epidemic of school violence.

More recently, the "active shooter" has become the new boogeyman armed with a gun. Of course, there were shootings in public places long before this frightening catchphrase was created. Nowadays, any time someone shows up with a gun in a school, a church, a movie theater, a shopping mall or a restaurant, twitter becomes alive with messages of alarm.

I certainly don't mean to minimize the suffering of the Oregon victims and their families, but the shooting spree is not a reflection of more deadly times. Consider the facts.

According to a careful analysis of data on mass shootings (using the widely accepted definition of at least four killed), the Congressional Research Service found that there are, on average, just over 20 incidents annually. More important, the increase in cases, if there was one at all, is negligible. Indeed, the only genuine increase is in hype and hysteria.

James Alan Fox is the Lipman Professor of Criminology, Law and Public Policy at Northeastern University and a member of the USA TODAY Board of Contributors. He is co-author of Extreme Killing: Understanding Serial and Mass Murder.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/10/02/umpqua-community-college-shooting-oregon-mass-shooting-fbi-statistics-column/73199052/
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2015, 01:00:43 PM »
Amen to that
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2015, 03:33:54 PM »
since it`s all guesswork I say most of the responsible will and none of the irresponsible.


another thing about some of my co-workers. the one that I don`t trust got on permanent psychological leave. he started screaming and almost attacked his co-workers. a true postal event almost happened. he talked about his cache of guns he was gonna use to shoot our director. I totally predicted almost two years earlier this might happened. totally shocked I got it right. this is the third person in my job that has gone insane but the first to not kill. the first two actually took lives.


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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2015, 04:02:13 PM »
The problem in this country Kimba, as it relates to gun murders (not to mention every other murder with everything from fists to cars) is not the accessibility of guns, but the devalutation of life, be it aborting unborn faceless children to all forms of glorified justification in killing, in the movies.  Our culture has caused much of the country to grow numb at killing. Combine that with the PC crowd in not wanting to potentially offend anyone that's either mentally unstable or not of this country, and you have a perfect recipe for the likes of the latest mass shooting

Nor is this a trend of increasing attacks on schools or students.  The only thing trending is the hype
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2015, 09:18:57 PM »
   About a year ago we had a drill.

     I saw the notice of the drill , so I went and locked the back door.

      There was a guy there who called me nuts and unlocked the door.

       I knew it was a drill, so I didn't insist.

      This is a very large gun free zone , but it is patrolled by real soldiers, an active shooter would be met pretty soon with real resistance.

       I am accustomed to being gun free, and relying on these patrolling soldiers.

       But we do have idiots involved .
     

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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2015, 11:12:48 PM »
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2015, 11:23:18 PM »
Bingo
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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2015, 08:56:25 AM »
The federal government is  not in charge of Chicago. Chicago's police are.
There are too many guns in Chicago because they are brought in from elsewhere.

Very hard to do in Honolulu, where gun crimes are few.

Where are there the strictest gun laws?

Japan!

How many gun crimes in Japan in 2013?

TWO!

How many in the US? Over 95,000.
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2015, 11:03:36 AM »
Government is in charge of Chicago, not the police.  Government policies, at all levels, Federal,State, and local, enact policies that make it harder for people to defend themselves, against those who won't pay a damn to any gun laws, old or new  And no, its not too many guns, near as much as its too many law abiding citizens being impeding from defending themselves with some form of equalizing force, by precisely those policies

And one more time, Hawaii is an island, and the U.S. is not Japan.  We have far more freedoms than Japan.  And we've had far too many people sacrifice themselves, defending those freedoms for the likes of you "think you know it all socialists" to even dream of enacting some form of ban, the likes of Japan

And one last fact to throw back in the face of emotionally tainted ranting....MORE lives are saved by a gun in this country, than those taken by one in a gun crime.  Not my facts, either, sorry to say
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2015, 12:13:27 PM »
Not true in any way. Just stupid NRA lies. Cram it and rotate it, it is not true.
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2015, 12:35:39 PM »


Facts to a direhard leftist....like kryptonite to Superman
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Re: Umpqua Community College
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2015, 01:25:48 PM »
the devalutation of life, be it aborting unborn faceless children

SIRS this young man is right!

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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2015, 01:38:03 PM »
The devaluing of life in this country is the biggest reason for any supposed upswing in murders.  Not some proliferation of guns......especially when you consider violent crime has been declining despite more law abiding citizens owning fireams
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2015, 02:39:15 PM »
The actual homicide rate has gone DOWN, mostly because of aging of the population.
Mass murders are going up, however.

The proliferation of guns is related to right wing paranoia.
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