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Plane

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Power abused
« on: September 10, 2016, 05:08:27 AM »
http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/09/female-student-admits-to-incredible-lie


Rape is a very serious accusation, so serious that ....


How is this done , are all rape accusations taken with a large grain of salt because the accusation is so  devastating?

Should all rape accusations be taken as true because the crime of rape is such a destructive crime?


Neither of these extremes works for justice , but we have been near both extremes within the span of my life for the sake of the search for justice.

    When rapists ever realize that they have impunity , they commit rape and make use of the impunity , that is no good.

     Also no good is giving to a large group of human beings the right to have their accusations believed , this amounts to a power that can be abused, and giving any large group a power that can be abused , it shall be abused.

    Rape is such a serious crime that it ought to be treated exactly like other crimes , with the establishment of the truth being more important than the status of the accuser or accused.

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Re: Power abused
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 04:29:56 PM »
recently a comedian talked about a friend of hers being falsely accuse of raped and she stated she does believe he did not do it but refuses to go further than that because she thinks it more important women false or not are believed in these matters.

I got some serious fears on this subject now


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Re: Power abused
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2016, 06:52:06 PM »
recently a comedian talked about a friend of hers being falsely accuse of raped and she stated she does believe he did not do it but refuses to go further than that because she thinks it more important women false or not are believed in these matters.



  That is an unfortunate attitude.

     That women should be believed even contrary to all evidence does not make women trustworthy.

      Remember what lying, murderous, scoundrels kings generally turned out to be?

       Kings exhibit the human nature of a human that can't be caught in a lie.

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Re: Power abused
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 11:41:30 AM »
Legalize rape

When rape first became a crime, we lived in a different world. Among the middle and upper echelons of society, women expected to be virgins at marriage and to be respectable in public thereafter.

These expectations arose from common knowledge which has been forgotten. Without the bonding that sexual inexperience provided, couples lacked the trust that came with shared exclusive experience. Their marriages also became unions of convenience, not based on the sacred but in business-like negotiations for mutual satisfaction on a day-to-day basis.

Not surprisingly when we abandoned this outlook our fortunes fell as far as marriage is concerned. First infidelity swept through marriages, then divorce became common, and now people simply avoid marriage in the first place to avoid being penalized to subsidize someone else after the inevitable divorce. Marriage is like extended dating at this point.

In saner times, rape ruined a woman. If it occurred before marriage, it made her unlikely to become married; if it happened afterwards, people saw her as being ejected from the throes of marital contentment. (This was for decent people in the upper echelons: peasants, criminals and gypsies rutted like pigs and still do, which creates their ever-expanding numbers and ever-decreasing fortune.)

In our new age however rape no longer carries this weight. No woman is ruined by having sex with one more man, since they commonly have sex with six of them on average that they will admit, but we know that people lie on surveys and the actual number may be ten times higher, some without even knowing his name or spending more than a dozen minutes in his company. At this point, it is farce and injustice to keep rape classified as a crime of violence.

Rather, we should view rape as a form of theft. We know that the woman intended to have sex with someone because she does it on a regular basis; what happened instead was that she had sex with the wrong man. It occurred not by force, since we no longer require that to prosecute a man for rape, but by mistake. She said no and he heard yes, or she said yes and meant no, or (as is most common) both had to get so drunk to engage in the animalistic act that neither knew what the other said and in the haze of regret the next day, she decided it was rape.

But no matter: In all of these cases, the only crime was theft of sexual services. She could have sold that sexual encounter for anywhere from a few dollars to a few thousand. Perhaps it was wrong that he took her as he did, but we have worse physical affronts in car crashes and when people crash their shopping carts into us at Wal-mart. As with an auto accident, we could write him a ticket and slap a heft fine on him, then move on.

It is not as if anything permanent were taken from that woman. She is already accustomed to having sex with strangers. She does not expect to be virginal for marriage, but fears being virginal past age thirteen, as socially that means failure. The only real crime here is that the wrong man ended up having sex with her, or that he did not pay. Our legal system offers many ways to rectify this. If he is ticketed, she can sue in small claims court much as she would if he took her paid parking space for a month.

But what we must not do is use the old punishment and the new crime in the same action. Rape is no longer a violent crime, but a case of mistaken consent, like parking in spot 81 when you rented spot 82. We should not punish it like grand larceny, assault and murder. As the feminists tell us, most rapes are acquaintance rape. And for that, a quick ticket and a sharp fine should do the trick, and we can stop ruining the lives of men for regrets in a sexual marketplace of the lowest common denominator.

http://www.amerika.org/politics/legalize-rape/
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Re: Power abused
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 01:38:08 PM »
Definitely not gonna happen and I'll make it worst at least partially . Rape cannot be an exclusive status for females. True we totally have a rape culture but not as females claim. Men get raped but are way less helped then females. Our culture even encourage it . if you notice its not addressed probably because it may undermine females claims about rape

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 10:22:12 PM »
It is not as if anything permanent were taken from that woman. She is already accustomed to having sex with strangers. She does not expect to be virginal for marriage, but fears being virginal past age thirteen, as socially that means failure. The only real crime here is that the wrong man ended up having sex with her, or that he did not pay. Our legal system offers many ways to rectify this. If he is ticketed, she can sue in small claims court much as she would if he took her paid parking space for a month.


http://www.amerika.org/politics/legalize-rape/


Hmmmm...


No.

I see little future in this proposal.


Even if one accepts that what is taken has small value (I do not, but that is another argument), there is still a major problem with how the theft is accomplished, by a bodily assault . If someone took my wallet I might have two dollars in it and not cry for the loss, but if I was bruised up and tossed in a ditch without my clothes in the process I think I would have a real grievance in spite of the low value in the wallet.

Nor is it alright to get a woman drunk or stoned first, it isn't good to get someone drunk before selling them a car is it? Even if the drunkenness is mutual there ought to be a reasonable opportunity to say "NO" and while drunk there can be no legal consent. This is a dangerous habit anyway, lots of serious accidents result from being drunk, and I know a person who passes out at the wheel after someone snuck her a roofie.  I think it is easy to imagine that amateurs calculating doses on powerful sedatives is  dangerous , I won't bother to prove it.

      Whether Rape is more or less serious , more or less dangerous , it is still a crime that people should be defended in law against.  What level of proof though?

         The trouble with rape is how much there is similarity between consensual sex and rape. There may have been a real rape or a real consensual act and the physical evidence only proves that one of these occurred , not which.

           So do wise people avoid situations in which accusation is possible?  That is a lot of avoidance.

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Re: Power abused
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 12:24:45 PM »
"Legalize rape"? Really?
Rape is not normal sex, as the silly article assumes. Rape is to normal sex as a beating with a base is to a karate class.

I suppose that a lot of gorilla and chimpanzee sex is quite similar to rape. But our apish days are behind us.
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Re: Power abused
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 07:35:25 PM »


I suppose that a lot of gorilla and chimpanzee sex is quite similar to rape.

This would be a good question for Jane Goodall.


Primates woo mates with gifts and attention, at practically every type.

Humans might be the worst for the use of coercion , but I don't really know , that is just what I expect.

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2016, 02:56:23 AM »
Maybe ape require consent because if the male want more than one time encounter they develope a more mutual agreement between themselves.

us humans tend to overthink things and eventually things go very wrong

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2016, 11:21:05 AM »
The sexual behavior of apes is pretty well documented. Apes are into behavior that would be considered obscene and illegal in human society. I am pretty sure you can find enough about it to bore yourselves to tears. It is not a question of "maybe".

The idea of legalizing rape is stupid.
Rape is a form of assault and battery.



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Re: Power abused
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2016, 07:14:29 AM »



Rape is a form of assault and battery.


Yes , at least that.

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2016, 11:58:05 AM »
So far it seems we're only talking about the standard no doubt it is rape. I wondering if we would talk about the version which females  refuse it's a grey area. She wakes up after a bender and regrets sleeping with the guy. Mens version is called coyote ugly. But men never goes beyond regret sleeping with her. I hear females have pressed raped charges

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2016, 12:27:53 PM »
Not all alleged rapes are actually rapes.
Sometimes they are difficult to prove.
This guy humping a drunken woman beside a dumpster was not a difficult one to prove. There were witnesses to all the facts.
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2016, 08:00:06 PM »
  Thus the question of "legitimate " rape and the factor of honorability of the accused.

    Is Juanita Broderick less believable because of the honor paid to the man she accuses?

      I understand this , I feel really bad that Bill Cosby is so convincingly accused , I have liked him since I was small.