Because its informative. That's why bother.
Really? I get several
dozen news feeds a day, from AP, CNN, Fox, NY Times, Washington Post, WSJ, AFP, BBC, CBC, online editions of papers from around the world, and other websites. Informative, to me, is hearing - well, actually seeing - what folks here think themselves. I figured why not, give it a shot, see if we might get some discussions going. Maybe, just maybe, even attract some new posters, get some fresh blood into the group. Well, apparently the topic attracted readers, but no one stuck around, perhaps as disappointed as I was.
..... So what else would you like to talk about Flynn?
Sorry, old news.
Flynn may have been a "victim", but unlike Sessions, who had a perfectly legal postition, as a senator, to dialog with any Ambassador, including the Russian Ambassador, Flynn was still a private citizen when he was speaking to the Russian Government. Doesn't matter he was going to be part of a Trump Administration. He wasn't being up front, and kind of hung Pense out to dry, when he defended Flynn's original position, that he had absolutely no contact.
In whatever effort he felt obligated to faciltate possible actions to lessen the tension between the U.S. & Russia, he messed up, and appropriately tendered his resignation.
The Sessions' molehill is nothing but a molehill, and showcasing Democrats acting utterly desperate.
The wiretapping tweet was a ridiculous tactic, and diminishes that great joint congress speech he gave last week.
The problem with Sessions isn't that he had contact with the Russian ambassador, or that it was legal to do so. It is that he lied, or at a minimum tried to cover up the fact that he had such contact, under oath. Bubba had every legal right to get a blowjob in the Oval Office, the crime was lying about it under oath.
Cu4, with all due respect....it's an allegation....of a former President, with not a shred of any evidence to support it. We're appropriately giving substantial grief to the Dems for trying to allege some intimate collusion between Trump & the Russians, with the elections, without a shred of proof. Why would we not hold ourselves to the same standard??
Now, I wouldn't put it past the Democrats and Obama to have pulled such a felonious stunt, but tweeting the accusation was childish. He won the election, its done with it. Why bring this up?...in a tweet no less?? Send a memo of concern to the FBI, and if they find something, THEN tweet it,... with fanfare even.
Obama did not begin most of these programs. Some had their beginnings before Bush - in fact, some have been plodding along for decades. But they took off after 9/11 under Bush, when Americans clamored for security at all costs and were willing to trade their freedoms for it. Remember the Patriot Act everyone wanted to 'protect' them? Those of us who tried to warn against it then were shouted down and ignored.
I worked at the National Security Agency in the late 70's and early 80's. I had a pretty good perspective what their monitoring capabilities were then, and with a tech background it wasn't difficult to see what was coming if it wasn't kept in check. It wasn't. As personal computers, cell phones, 'smart' phones and 'smart' technology has grown, so has the government's ability to use our own tech to gather information - on us. And if they can, so can anyone else with the tech skills, and inevitably, if anyone can, someone will.
Now, here's what may be hard for some to swallow - Obama, nor anyone at DOJ, FBI, CIA, whatever, needed to order any kind of taps or monitoring. If telephones, emails, any sort of electronic transmission at all was used, more than likely the recording was automatic. All that was required was someone to dig up the relevant data (from the vast amount collected each day on everyone) and leak it. Anyone with access might have done it, and that number runs into the thousands of NSA, CIA or other government employees or contractors. Remember Snowden? So you, or Trump, can yell 'Obama' all you want, but you are overlooking the much greater possibility - and danger - it was someone else.
