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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2008, 03:07:41 PM »


But what would God say about a country who engages in torture, openly. 


Same thing he says to abortionists makeing a business of innocent blood.

We need Gods blessing to avoid Gods damnation.

If Reverend Wright is right there is no retirement for him , and no shutting down the warning machine to protect the canadacy of his favoriate politician or his own retirement income.

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2008, 03:15:08 PM »
We need Gods blessing to avoid Gods damnation.

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We do?

So, every country must be either damned or blessed? Is is not possible that God looks at Polandd and says, "well, they are sinners, but a lot of places are worse", and simply neither damns or blesses them?

I think that God agrees with ME on abortion. It's up to the woman all the way.


According to the Church, EVERYBODY is condemned by our desendency from Adam, who committed the Original Sin of unwise Culinary Choice and ate the forbidden fruit.






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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2008, 03:20:12 PM »
We need Gods blessing to avoid Gods damnation.

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We do?

So, every country must be either damned or blessed? Is is not possible that God looks at Polandd and says, "well, they are sinners, but a lot of places are worse", and simply neither damns or blesses them?

I think that God agrees with ME on abortion. It's up to the woman all the way.


According to the Church, EVERYBODY is condemned by our desendency from Adam, who committed the Original Sin of unwise Culinary Choice and ate the forbidden fruit.









Congradulations on the half you got right.

National fate is less important than individual salvation , but it is still important .

I think God intervienes , but he is good at covering his tracks and loth to remove from us our right to fail.

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2008, 06:41:42 PM »
It seems to me that God is not actually interested in countries, assuming that there is a logical God. If the individualk and his choices are important, then the collective is unimportant.

The nation is not guilty of discrimination, lynchings and Jim Crow laws, but the individuals involved are.

Reverend Wright is a preacher. It is the nature of preachers to make big whoop-de-doos to call attention to their sermons. You can't base a sermon on most of the scripture, like the part where you must not wear fabric made of more than one fiber, or you should stone your disobedient kids to death.

The prophet Jeremiah was a lot weirder than Rev Wright, and he was ignored by most everyone in his time.
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2008, 06:48:08 PM »
For someone who completely admonishes and demeans religion and God, and those with a faith with God, Xo sure seems to know alot about what God thinks, would do, and what would and wound not interest him. 

Go figure
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2008, 07:43:02 PM »
It seems to me that God is not actually interested in countries, assuming that there is a logical God. If the individualk and his choices are important, then the collective is unimportant.

The nation is not guilty of discrimination, lynchings and Jim Crow laws, but the individuals involved are.



No, there are several scriptures that show God takeing action on  a National level, being interested in the behavior of leadership and even applying curses on a land or a city.

But Salvation is very individual , you have that right.

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2008, 07:47:28 PM »
 to read a fuller version of the two Wright sermons, one from the first Sunday after 9/ll/, "The Day of Jerusalem's Fall" and the other delivered in April, 2003, entitled "Confusing God and Government."


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4718613&page=1



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Asked about that speech, Wright replied, "He's a politician, I'm a pastor. I do what I do. He does what politicians do."






http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/04/wright_breaks_s.html



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"I don't talk to him about politics," Wright said. "And so he had a political event, he goes out as a politician and says what he has to say as a politician. I continue to be a pastor who speaks to the people of God about the things of God."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-wright-speaks_webapr25,1,410852.story




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April 28th 2008

The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., senior pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, will discuss the role of faith in the public square in a presentation entitled, The African American Religious Experience; Theology & Practice, at a National Press Club breakfast on April 28th.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/article/rev-dr-jeremiah-wright-jr-address-national-press-club_576758_1.html
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 01:05:45 AM »
I surprised people are still talking about this.
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« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2008, 04:41:41 AM »
No, there are several scriptures that show God takeing action on  a National level, being interested in the behavior of leadership and even applying curses on a land or a city.

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Not THIS nation.

The Bible is a hodgepodge of differing views and perspectives. You can find a justification for damned near any point of view in the Bible, especially if you squint when reading it.

The New Testament seems to be a lot less directed toward the tribal and more toward the individual.
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« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2008, 10:31:43 AM »
The Bible is a hodgepodge of differing views and perspectives. You can find a justification for damned near any point of view in the Bible, especially if you squint when reading it.



That is the importance of being fundamental , to seek what God is saying rather than seeking to find support for your own favoriate idea in scripture. That "squint" is a real problem , a hard one to avoid.

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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2008, 11:44:03 AM »
The Bible, in addition to being based on the strange customs of a rather primitive tribe 2000+ years ago, also contradicts itself and offers advice that is just plain silly, such as the ban on wearing a fabric made from different fibers. I assume that the Ba'alites or some other tribe were fond of lindsy-woolsy or something like that, and the Hebrews were admonished not to support Ba'alite (or some other tribe's) weaving industry by purchasing such cloth. But it makes no sense today.  Punishing your disobedient children by stoning them to death is certainly effective, but a tad harsh in anyone's book. In one place the Bible states that interest cannot be charged on money lended, in another it states that this is okay. In one place, the Bible states that a man may not marry his brother's widow, in another it suggests that he must.

A true fundamentalist would be driven mad by a real attempt to follow each adminition at once, and probably thrown in jail for child abuse, wife battering and numerous antisocial activities. The thing is that it is written in pretty turgid prose, so most people just don't understand what it indicates that they must do.

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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2008, 12:51:00 PM »
>>For someone who completely admonishes and demeans religion and God, and those with a faith with God, Xo sure seems to know alot about what God thinks would do, and what woud and wound not interest him.<<


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« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2008, 06:37:38 PM »
The Bible, in addition to being based on the strange customs of a rather primitive tribe 2000+ years ago, also contradicts itself and offers advice that is just plain silly, such as the ban on wearing a fabric made from different fibers. I assume that the Ba'alites or some other tribe were fond of lindsy-woolsy or something like that, and the Hebrews were admonished not to support Ba'alite (or some other tribe's) weaving industry by purchasing such cloth. But it makes no sense today.  Punishing your disobedient children by stoning them to death is certainly effective, but a tad harsh in anyone's book. In one place the Bible states that interest cannot be charged on money lended, in another it states that this is okay. In one place, the Bible states that a man may not marry his brother's widow, in another it suggests that he must.

A true fundamentalist would be driven mad by a real attempt to follow each adminition at once, and probably thrown in jail for child abuse, wife battering and numerous antisocial activities. The thing is that it is written in pretty turgid prose, so most people just don't understand what it indicates that they must do.



All of this is a result of your squinting, I do not see these errors as errors because I look deeper and do not expect myself to understand everything.

Step one is to adopt an humble attitude and pray for enlightenment the scripture is locked against being understood by its adversarys , God opens understanding as a gift to those who ask for it.

Thus I know that the proabition of mixing fibers is one with the proabition against useing unfair measure in sales , Cloth being sold as wool should be wool and cloth being sold as linen should be linen. There are several commands and advisements that are clearly intended to discourage dishonest practices on the part of manufacturers and retailers this is one of those.

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Re: God D*mn America
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2008, 08:08:12 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352661,00.html


The entire sermon is finally availible.

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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2008, 09:10:13 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352661,00.html


The entire sermon is finally availible.

I just watched it , and I did agree with its basic theme , God does not lie , God does not fail.

Government will lie and government will fail the two should not be confused nor should there be one substituted for the other, Good sermon brother.

On the other hand every example he chose for government lies , failure and change was so politicly charged as to endanger the tax free status of his church.

He can be my brother in Christ and also be a died in the wool racist , this is just the way it is, I can't reject his claim to my brotherhood just because he isn't perfect.

Matter of fact , I miss MT pretty bad and this sermon seemed to reawaken the Jones for those quaint beliefs that MT would profess to us , I would welcome  brother Wright into our forum , he is odbviously very qualified to be one of us.