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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 10:52:17 PM »
Did they do this because they are mean, or just because they are stupid?



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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 01:32:58 AM »
I think stupid
I meant mean in a thoughtless way.
I know quite afew people who names thier kids with no idea of the impact it will have.

 

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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 09:41:45 AM »
I have observed that the great majority of Black people believe that the US is a racist country, and few believe that racism will end soon.

But still, they choose to name their children names that only Black people have: LaToya, Sheniqwa, Tyrone, Antwan, and even worse, Muslim names even though the parents are not Muslim: Rasool, Alia, Tareek.

If we assume that thee children will seek to be hired by White people (and the odds are that this will be true: there are far more Whites than Blacks, and more Human Resources people in industry are White than Black in a proportion greater than this), then giving their kids these names is an automatic handicap.

If we assume that the HR person is to some degree racist, he is more likely to eliminate Sheniqwa and Rasool from the short list that will be called for interviews. It is likely that the HR person simply finds interviewing people with pierced noses, braided hair, dreds, and do-rags uncomfortable. But the result is the same: no interview, no job for sure.

It is rarely the case that these names are ancient family names, which are more often George, James, Mary, Linda and such.

I suppose that if you really wanted to get your son or daughter that chance for an interview, you could name them Thomas Lee or Dixie Lee, Billy-Bob or Caitlan.

I would not presume and have never presumed to tell anyone what to name their kids, but as I see it, it can be most important, as it's the first thing that anyone knows about you when they meet you.

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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 02:47:24 PM »
I kinda doubt dixie-lee or billy-bob is helpful on the resume .
my real name is gee gawk ying,but I go by the name peter not because I`m ashame.
just nobody can say it right or even spell it.
but it`s not just a ethnic thing.
nordic names are not exactly popular here also
how many people do we know go by the name sjorgson
and that`s the easier spelling name

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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2008, 02:57:15 PM »
I kinda doubt dixie-lee or billy-bob is helpful on the resume .
my real name is gee gawk ying,but I go by the name peter not because I`m ashame.
just nobody can say it right or even spell it.
but it`s not just a ethnic thing.
nordic names are not exactly popular here also
how many people do we know go by the name sjorgson
and that`s the easier spelling name

Dixie Lee or Billy Bob would be perfectly acceptable in the southeast, while Nordic names would be perfectly acceptable in the upper midwest.
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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2008, 03:07:51 PM »
Dixie Lee and Joe Bob are clearly not the names of Black Americans. Dixie being the Confederate national anthem, and Lee being Robert E Lee, the Confederacy's best-known general. I doubt that many Black people would be named Beauregard or Nathan Bedford Forrest, Sterling Price, or Quantrill, either.

A name like Jeb Stuart Washington could really baffle the Hell out of them.
I am sure that there are White people named Washington, but I have yet to meet one. The Father of this country was not prolific.


Chinese names do not actually sound like names to Westerners. Some of them sound like noises made by machinery or caused by gastric distress. No offense.

Then there is the spelling problem. Mao T'se Tung (now it's Mao Zedong) sounds like Mousey Dung. There are two ways to write Chinese with the Roman alphabet, and both are deceptive and rather close to useless as a language learning aid.

And then there is the  tone problem. Chinese (at least Mandarin and Cantonese) has four tones, and there is no way to write these in English. I think the French figured out a way of writing them in Vietnamese, with a ton of diacritical marks. That is little help to someone learning Chinese.

My friend Ying tells me that the surname Ng is pronounced "Wu". I am not sure how that works, but he speaks Taiwanese, Mandarin, and Min (or whatever the language of Fukien is), and surely knows more than I do.

Still, I do not see how Ng could be related to anything that sounds like Wu.

There is also the surname "Wu", spelled "Wu", or "Woo".
 

I would prefer any surname to Lipshitz.
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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2008, 03:13:47 PM »
Dixie Lee or Billy Bob would be perfectly acceptable in the southeast, while Nordic names would be perfectly acceptable in the upper midwest.

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The point is that Black people are never named Dixie Lee, Caitlan, Billy Bob. I never met a Black Bjorn, Lars, or Anders, either.

I think that names such as Keisha, Shaneqwa, Leroy and Tyree are so stereotypical that they could be a handicap to the person that has them.

There is no reason why a Michael Ross would be less Jewish than a Schlomo Goldblatt, or a Lars Thorwaldsen would be more Scandinavian than a Tom Anderson, but this is nonetheless the way it sounds.
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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2008, 03:21:23 PM »
the upper midwest has names like Guðrún María Bjarnadóttir ???

actually I can totally understand ng sounding like wu

the cantonese word for me is ngoi but to a westerner it sounds like loi
correction cantonese has 7 tones
but I only know how to explain the four mandarin tones -,/,\,~
the keyboard can`t cover my language
and i got doubts westerners can pronounce nordic words.

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2008, 03:32:40 PM »
and i got doubts westerners can pronounce nordic words.

The Norse are westerners. Are you saying they can't pronounce their own language?
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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2008, 04:17:37 PM »
i caught that when i typed but it went before i could stop it
I meant most americans would not be able say those words.
I`ve heard a few easy words like sven of course
but had no idea the it would be common in the midwest

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2008, 05:25:09 PM »
but had no idea the it would be common in the midwest

You see more Swedish and Norwegian flags in Minnesota than US flags.
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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 12:37:25 PM »
The difficulty with Nordic languages is the way that the sounds are represented by the Roman alphabet, which are often different than these sounds as represented in English. There are a few vowels that are tough to get right, as well as a few consonants that occur in combinations unknown or rare in English.

The inflection of sentences also differs quite a bit, and as always, the only way to deal with tones and inflections is to listen and repeat, over and over.

When I lived in Grays Harbor County, in Washington State, kids thought it was a hoot to get their Norwegian grandparents to count from 1000 up, because of the singsong inflection of Norwegian when counting.
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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2008, 12:39:35 AM »

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Re: parents can be mean
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2008, 10:11:25 AM »
I'm surprised J-Lo had a problem - anyone that speaks Spanish as a native tongue shouldn't have too many problems with Norwegian pronunciation. A native English speaker (especially an American English speaker) I can see - we don't use nearly as many sounds as most European languages.
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