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« on: November 29, 2008, 07:09:07 PM »
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"...the navies of the United States and other nations are under increasing pressure to intervene and put a stop to this scourge of the seas, which exists with backing of radical Islam.

Quick question: does this description refer to the year 1802, or 2009?



http://www.pennwellblogs.com/mae/2008/11/past-is-present-as-us-allies-gird-for.html?cmpid=EnlMAENovember262008

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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 08:09:47 PM »
There was no "radical Islam" until recent times. In reality, "militant Islam" or "Muslim piracy" describes this better. Radical mean a change in the roots, and the base of Islam - the Five Pillars of Islam - have not changed.

Why is this happening now, and in Somalia? Somalia has no government, the fisheries were undefended, and the coastal fisheries were fished out by factory fishing boats. There is nothing left to catch. This means that Somali fishermen are unable to earn a living. Piracy is an option. It is not very dangerous and it makes a lot of money.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 08:31:12 PM »
There was no "radical Islam" until recent times. In reality, "militant Islam" or "Muslim piracy" describes this better. Radical mean a change in the roots, and the base of Islam - the Five Pillars of Islam - have not changed.

Why is this happening now, and in Somalia? Somalia has no government, the fisheries were undefended, and the coastal fisheries were fished out by factory fishing boats. There is nothing left to catch. This means that Somali fishermen are unable to earn a living. Piracy is an option. It is not very dangerous and it makes a lot of money.


There has always been radical Islam , moderate Islam is a recent development.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 06:41:53 AM »
Islam has always had its fanatic. It is essentially in the process of having its Renaissance period, where the center of concentration shifts from the divine (building mosques and spreading the faith as is happening in Saudi Arabia) to to the secular (building banks and hotels, as is happening in the UAE).

What we see as "radical" is the internationalization of a small faction of fanatical Islam, who never used to care about anything outside of their own countries. Like the US fundamentalists, it is a reactionary movement incapable of any significant growth, because it depends on ignorance and money to spread.

Just as the children of fundamentalists will mostly succumb to becoming educated consumers and members of the middle class in the US, the same will happen to these fanatics if prosperity spreads to the culture.

It is possible to maintain a fundamentalist culture on farms and in small hick towns in the maountains, but a lot more difficult in Atlanta, Charlotte, D.C., New Orleans, Biloxi and other places where prosperity draws the next generation.

The same will occur in the Arab world.

Piracy is another matter. The way to end it is to put the ships in convoys and guard them, and perhaps to find something else for ex-fishermen to do to earn a living. Piracy has nothing to do with fundamentalism in the Islamic world any more than robbing liquor stores has anything to do with religious fundamentalism in the US.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 06:44:34 AM by Xavier_Onassis »
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2008, 11:22:07 AM »
It might help if European fishing factorys were not takeing advantage of the fishing grounds of Somilia being berift of patrolls .

The former fishermen would be present fishermen if there were some fish left.

What we are going to do with the former fishermen is shoot them , then they will become martyers to Islam usefull to the most radical of the radical , who we will also wind up shooting.

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2008, 02:24:56 PM »
What we are going to do with the former fishermen is shoot them , then they will become martyers to Islam usefull to the most radical of the radical , who we will also wind up shooting.

They are simply desperate guys trying to make a buck. They are as likely to become "Islamic martyrs" as Bonnie and Clyde were to find Jesus. I don't know that the fishing boats that fished out the Somali waters were Europeans.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 06:47:25 PM by Xavier_Onassis »
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 10:34:06 PM »
What we are going to do with the former fishermen is shoot them , then they will become martyers to Islam usefull to the most radical of the radical , who we will also wind up shooting.

They are simply desperate guys trying to make a buck. They are as likely to become "Islamic martyrs" as Bonnie and Clyde were to find Jesus. I don't know that the fishing boats that fished out the Somali waters were Europeans.


I don't know that they were Europeans either , the Somalis in the TV article I saw blamed the Europeans so that is the diffrence it makes to them.