I am impressed with this comic.

[Plane]

http://www.withfetus.com/20120402.html

Thought provoking , very very very.
Some times disgusting .
Apt to maky one cry, I can just imagine the artist mixing tears in the watercolor.
Art quality is not great , but simple faces express strong emotion.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is a pretty well done cartoon. The artwork is less than impressive, but the way in which it deals with rather complex attitudes in four panels or so is impressive.
Better than I expected, judging from the title.

If not for the Internet, cartoons like this would be rare. Zines were the only place to see these before the Internet took over. Now zines seem to be going extinct.

[Plane]

  Yes the graphic art is not first rate , and the point of view is very diffrent from mine.

   But a serious examination of ones own POV is something you just don't see very often.

    These caricters are in conflict and struggle with internal questions and weep.

    If I could I would hand deliver this to all of congress.
 
     Seems as if lots of them on both sides could use the sex ed.

     In particular I am thinking of congressman Akin who is near my own POV but recently made a very public error of fact that he could have and should have easily avoided.

     
     

[Xavier_Onassis]

The problem with Akin's point of view is that there is no proof that a raped woman is less li8kely to conceive than a woman who is willing. And in any case, to make any sense, it would have to be 100% effective. Drugged and drunken women would still have willing sex.

I agree that if one starts with the assumption that God personally authorizes all conceptions of any sort and all humans are "born in sin" anyway, then it is logical that all abortions are a violation of divine will, and, since God is in charge and humans are not, all abortions should be made impossible.

I do not, however accept either premise. I hold the opinion that all people have the right to decide whether to reproduce or not, and that sex is as valid recreational a activity as it is a reproductive one. Conception is, like so many things in the universe, a matter of chance, and God does not intervene any more than he creates parasites and tidal waves and volcanoes. I think that each woman has the right to decide entirely on her own whether to give birth or not. The moral judgement, if any, is hers and hers alone.

Todd Akin is a medieval-minded creep, but he did win the primary. I fail to see why he should be forced by the Republican Party to step down, since his views do not deffer from Ryan and others, also creepy and medieval.

[Plane]

  Killing persons who are all grown up is also contrary to Gods will.

  How do athiests decide what is good or bad?

   In this comic one of the abortion clinic staff is a Christian who struggles with the conflict of taking life .

    Another is not so devout , but still struggles with the taking of life.

    Even if you can leave God entirely out of it , ending a human life should not be taken lightly.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I did not say to take it lightly, I said that it is not my affair to decide what a woman chooses to do. She is the only one that should have a say in it.

[Plane]

So if your wife chooses to kill you , you just gotta let her?

[Xavier_Onassis]

So if your wife chooses to kill you , you just gotta let her?

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Only if I am in fetus form in her uterus, which I deem to be impossible.
It would only be a bit more unlikely that I got there through rape or incest.
It would clearly require some sort of transmigration of souls, and of course, if souls can do that, then abortion would not be thwarting God's will, would it. God would simply reassign the soul to a better choice of fetus.

Reincarnation renders the entire antiabortion argument absurd.

It is pretty hard to believe that God cares a lot about the survival of fetuses, since many species of reptiles, fish and amphibians give birth to 30,000 tiny baby critters at a time, and 29,892 are eaten immediately.

Of course, this is not about what I am about to allow to happen, but about passing a law.

[Plane]

  Now that it is you we are talking about.

    When you were in fetus form your state could recognise your person hood.
    And probly did.
   

[Xavier_Onassis]

When you were in fetus form your state could recognise your person hood.
    And probly did.
   
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In 1942?

No, not at all.

And anyway, it does not matter. It was not a matter for any government. Only for my parents.

[Plane]

Lucky for us all then that your parents resisted the allure of aborting your life whenever you inevitably became annoying.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Again, I am for a woman's right to abort a fetus, not to commit infanticide.

[Plane]

Again, I am for a woman's right to abort a fetus, not to commit infanticide.

I am against making this distinction.

[Xavier_Onassis]

You have an egg for breakfast and convince yourself you have eaten a whole chicken.

But you have not.

With regard to the cartoon strip, it does stress the ambiguities and emotions involved with a woman having an abortion, and does so quite well.

As I have said, the decision to have or not have an abortion is left up to the woman by nature. I oppose putting the government into the issue. It is a woman's issue by nature, not a man's issue. Women should not be allowed to mandate a vasectomy on men, either.

There is a moral dilemma, and that moral dilemma should be that of ONLY the woman involved, NOT some flake like Ryan or Akin or a bunch of officially sexless male critters in the Holy Mother Church.

[Plane]

You have an egg for breakfast and convince yourself you have eaten a whole chicken.

But you have not.

Could you explain this a bit?

Why have I not?