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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2016, 11:15:28 PM »
This makes romance a military concern.

If there were the same number of Palestinians now as there were in 1930, they would all fit in Gaza with elbow room.

How is all this thriving happening, with all this repression at the same time?

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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2016, 01:24:10 AM »
Modern medicine, more available food. The same things that have caused growth during the same time period all over the world.
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2016, 07:03:47 AM »
Modern medicine, more available food. The same things that have caused growth during the same time period all over the world.

These in spite of being occupied or because of it?

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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2016, 02:58:05 PM »
Israel is guilty of snatch and grab. Palestinians are the grabees,. Israel is the grabber.

Israelis actually think they have a special divine license to snatch and to grab.
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2016, 07:41:23 PM »
Sorry to burst that bubble....Israel is guilty of no such thing.  Unless of course you're going on record as to claim how the United States is guilty of snatch & grab, with native Americans and Mexicans, being the victimized grabees.

Is that what you're saying??
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2016, 09:46:48 PM »
Sure, my Irish ancestors bought a plantation in Lowndes County GA after some English ancestors drove some Choctaw relatives off the land. They got it real cheap.
They were thieves, agents of thieves and the beneficiaries of thieves. After the Civil War, they left GA and went off to Texas. No one seems to know what they did with the plantation. The courthouse and all the records suspiciously burned down.

The thing is that in the 1820's a there was no international organization that prohibited such shameless theft to occur, The Supremne Court told Andrew Jackson that he was violating the Constitution, but he pointed out that he had an army, while the Supreme Court had none,

In 1945, the United Nations was founded in part to end colonialism after the Germans, Japanese and Italians attempted to colonize parts of Europe, Asia and Africa that has been declared off limits. In 1947 Israel and Palestine were brought into being by the one and same UN, so it is not like the Israelis thought that colonizing Palestinians land was okay. They refused to give back what they had grabbed and then grabbed some more, Now they are in the process of grabbing it all, one little bit at a time. Netanyahu claims he favors a two state solution, but he has done everything to prevent it.
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2016, 11:12:40 PM »
So it was ok for America to steal land but not Israel because. .... it happened 100 years earlier?  That makes it ok?  It matters not what your rationalizations are, the fact is, based on YOUR parameters, the US grabbed land away from native Americans and Mexicans.   Still waiting to see your condemnation and demands for the US to return the lands they stole, in order to take your criticism of Israel with any objective credibility
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2016, 12:17:17 AM »
Netanyahu claims he favors a two state solution, but he has done everything to prevent it.

Really ?

I am puzzled at his saying something like this.

Of course I can't see why anyone actually likes the "two state solution" hasn't this been tried ?

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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2016, 11:40:45 AM »
Theoretically there is a three state solution in place right now.
1. Israel
2. The PLO dominated West Bank
3. The Hamas dominated Gaza Strip

since no accord has been reached and the Israelis continue to use their superior power to colonize more settlements, there is a lot of tension and things are getting worse.
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2016, 12:30:09 PM »
And until Hamas, and all those Iraeli-hating nations surrounding israel stop warring with Israel, there will be no solution
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2016, 02:16:50 PM »
Israel is surrounded by Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
 None of these is currently "warring" with Israel.  Jordan and Egypt have reached an accord with Israel, Lebanon is too puny to count as a serious enemy, and at present Hezbollah is occupied with the Syrian Civil War. Syria is not warring with Israel, either: it is warring with itself.

Hamas is no serious threat to Israel.

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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2016, 02:48:55 PM »
They all provide haven from those who are warring against Israel
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2016, 07:35:34 AM »
So what?

Do your expect each and every one of these countries to arrest everyone who opposes Israel and throw them in jail?

Israel is unpopular in the world, and its popularity is in decline, even in the US.

More and more, people even here are saying, "Netanyahu? Fuck him."
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2016, 11:26:39 AM »
So what?

That's the damn point......that's the "so what".  I never said the Governments surrounding Israel were at war with Israel.  I merely said they were surrounded by enemies at war with them.  But I thank you for conceding that point.  And yes, any person(s) caught performing terrorist acts against ANYONE, which would include Israel, should absolutely be arrested.  oy vey    ::)
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Re: Why Are There Still Palestinian Refugees?
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2016, 02:53:08 PM »
What is the difference between  being "at war with enemy neighbors" and "surrounded by neighbors at war with them"?
 
Even the most right wing of Israeli parties know that Jordan and Egypt have peace accords with Israel.

Lebanon ans Syria are in no condition to be at war with Israel at the present time.

Not that you'd know that,
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