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[Plane]

I did not say that I was in favor of banning guns in the US. It would have been a good idea fifty years ago, before there were so many guns around. Now, it would cause more problems to seize guns than it would solve.

It would be great if more Americans were more like the Swiss.  I do not see this happening. There are still far too many domestic gun incidents and domestic gun accidents as well as crimes involving guns.

I donlt think anyone can disagree with that.

Were there more guns percapata fifty years ago?

I would have thought otherwise.

True the policys of Clinton and Obama inspired panicked volume buying pushing sales outta sight, strangely co-incident with large declines in violent crime, but the population has increased a lot also, has the commoness of firearms really kept up?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The number of guns owned by private citizens has increased greatly. I know several people who own more than 20 guns, rifles and shotguns.

People do not buy guns based on "policies".They buy guns based on fear, and perhaps greed, since guns tend to increase in value, unlike other things. The gun collectors I know believe that their guns are an "investment". This may or may not be true. It is only an investment when you have sold something for a profit. Prior to that, unless the rate of return is guaranteed, it is a form of speculation.

Again, I do not think it would be possible to confiscate as many guns as there are without causing more problems than than are caused by the abundance of guns.


 

[Plane]

What problem is being caused by the abundance of guns?

[Kramer]

What problem is being caused by the abundance of guns?

the gun does nothing but society has deteriorated at bit and of course liberalism has played a large role in that.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The abundance of guns, of course, multiplies the possibility that there will be violent and criminal people who have access to guns. Compare the gun death rate in Japan with that of the US, and you will see that this is true.

There are two ways that such deaths are prevented: a culture that has a strong aversion to violence, and a society in which there are few guns available. The US, in particular the Southern part, has neither.

You er many times more likely to get shot in Texas than in North Dakota.

[Christians4LessGvt]

You er many times more likely to get shot in Texas than in North Dakota.

Yeah that's a real logical analogy being that Texas has probably
20 times the population of North Dakota and North Dakota is
probably pretty much all white. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

I was referring to the number of murders per 1000.

By "murder rate", I mean the statistical probability that one might get shot.
 

[Kramer]

The abundance of guns, of course, multiplies the possibility that there will be violent and criminal people who have access to guns. Compare the gun death rate in Japan with that of the US, and you will see that this is true.

There are two ways that such deaths are prevented: a culture that has a strong aversion to violence, and a society in which there are few guns available. The US, in particular the Southern part, has neither.

You er many times more likely to get shot in Texas than in North Dakota.

Two weeks ago remove Japan and insert Norway the guns laws probably are similar if not stricter in Norway. Hey Bozo, it could happen anywhere & any place, get that through you thick skull! The problem isn't the gun it's liberalism. The cancer of liberalism has entrenched itself deep into society. As perversion becomes more common place society deteriorates and as it deteriorates more crazy people are running around doing more & more crazy stuff. And make no mistake the guy in Norway is looney tunes. Why would a guy that blames Muslims & hates Muslims not go out and kill Muslims? The crazy guy killed a bunch of non-Muslims. That's why something like this wasn't heard of 20 years ago. Idiots like Obama are just making the world worse than it was before him!!! All these liberal countries are infested with Obamatypes and that is the worlds biggest challenge right now. Idiots that cater to perversion!

[hnumpah]

It would be great if more Americans were more like the Swiss.  I do not see this happening. There are still far too many domestic gun incidents and domestic gun accidents as well as crimes involving guns.

I donlt think anyone can disagree with that.

Maybe not, but there are far too many traffic 'accidents' caused by irresponsible drivers as well, killing, I believe, around 40,000 people a year. I don't see you moaning about that with the same energy.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There are surely more unnecessary deaths caused by morons driving than by morons using guns. However, a motor vehicle is a far more essential and useful thing to own than a gun. I do not see why I have an obligation to complain about things, ranked in order decided on by someone else.

And those people in Norway were not killed by "Liberalism", but by a crazy right wing reactionary moron resembling yourself, Kramer.

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[Kramer]

There are surely more unnecessary deaths caused by morons driving than by morons using guns. However, a motor vehicle is a far more essential and useful thing to own than a gun. I do not see why I have an obligation to complain about things, ranked in order decided on by someone else.

And those people in Norway were not killed by "Liberalism", but by a crazy right wing reactionary moron resembling yourself, Kramer.

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If liberalism AKA Socialism can destroy a city like Detroit it certainly destroys societies, communities, and countries. The gun is much safer than liberals like you. People like you have put us in financial crises mode. If you aren't capable of seeing that then surly you can't see your penis when you pee.

Liberals like you should be controlled with the same energy as guns.

you see the thing is that radicals have hijacked and run the Democrat Party. The JFK Democrat Party is dead but many decent people (misguided) still vote Democrat because they have for years and their daddy did too. But the liberals now run the party and they are very dangerous. When you take Obama and understand that his friends are Rev Wright and Bill Ayers then you begin to understand what I am talking about. So anyway people are dangerous not guns and clearly liberals fear guns for some crazy reason.

[Plane]

The abundance of guns, of course, multiplies the possibility that there will be violent and criminal people who have access to guns.

  This is specificly the bit that isn't true, a criminal intent on crime does what he must to commit the crime.

    A sense of shame would do much more to prevent crime than any attempt to frustrate the criminal.


       Did you notice the quote from the essay that claimed that the murder rate in England was higher before guns were introduced?  I understand this intuitively since I think of guns in their protective role first.
 

        I think you have focused on the madman with the gun he was willing to cross six borders to obtain, I am focused on the large croud trapped on the island without a wepons.

        Do you think it would be easyer to improve that situation by makeing it totally impossible for a madman to find a wepon or by makeing it totally impossible to find a croud that was completely unarmed?

[hnumpah]

Every time I hear about some nutjob running amok and killing a large number of people, I always wonder, how many might have been saved if there had been one or more people there with a legal, licensed firearm?

Criminals and nutjobs are always going to be able to get guns. When you disarm the law abiding citizens, you deprive them of any chance of fighting back. And don't count on the police to prevent anything - they are reactive and only any good after the crime has been committed.

[kimba1]

But wouldn't those armed persons simply be the first target? Theirs a reason exfelon can't own bullet proof vests

[Xavier_Onassis]

When bulletproof vests are outlawed, only the outlaws will have bulletproof vests.

If every person who owned a gun that could carry it around with him all the time were to do so, I am pretty sure that a lot more people would get shot.

It is like wondering why Chuck Norris cannot be around at every violent incident.

Not the real Chuck Norris, the one he plays in films, who cannot get out of a car without it exploding.