ya wanna see some stoooopid?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Why not go the extra mile and just have everyone given a nice bar code tattoo or perhaps
a chip implanted? That would save us all the hassle, wouldn't it?

No actually it would be a lot more hassle and it never seemed a problem
having a driver's license and it wouldnt be for a citizenship card.

[Christians4LessGvt]

regular americans have trouble accessing things
ex. red ink - chase bank.
we can`t afford to make thing less accessible

Look a Federal Citizen ID card would not be a big burden.
You'd keep it right with your driver's license and show it when needed.
You say "we cant afford"....
Well we cant afford the illegal invasion.
The illegal invasion is costing billions.

I had a friend that was at the public hospital on Tues getting therapy
During therapy he passed out & they thought he might be having a stroke
so they sent him to emergency at the same big public hospital
he actually had a nurse escort him over there with his charts
he thought with this possibly serious & a nurse escort he'd been seen pretty quick
do you know how long this guy born in the United States waited?
9 hours!
yes!....9 frickin hours laying on a gurney waiting to see a doctor!
he said plenty of ninos, amigos, muchachas were all getting service
the a-hole illegals getting service before an American!
oh yeah sure..."how do we know they were illegals"?
LOL....yeah I gotta bridge I'll sell ya.
it's shameful that illegals get service before an American Citizen
but thats what "well I guess since there already here" f-ed up logic gets you!

what we cant afford is this national disgrace called illegal immigration

[sirs]

What makes you think they'd enforce some deportation if someone fails to produce this ID card?

Thats the beauty of the Citizen ID Card.
You wouldnt have to deport anybody.

Then it serves no purpose, since we already have laws that provide emergency medical coverage to anyone.  They can stay in other family's homes.  They can continue to work as slave labor.  It's very simple C, to "make it difficult", without adding layers and layers of more Government bureacracy.  The Fed enforces existing law, both to those who illegally enter and to those who hire illegal immgrants 

That's a FAR better beauty, with this conservative

[kimba1]

actually cu your example about the ER is a terrible.

the first come first serve policy should always be the standard. I just can`t get behind a non-medical privledge. Also I personally experiance the legendary 6hr wait in the ER  in sf general a similiar type hospital as your friend. I saw no amigos as you call them,mostly european decent in san francisco ER. it`s simply  regional on whats crowding a ER. and the crowding of such service is driven by economic factors not citizenship status. if all illegals were gone today the ER will get crowded again in a few months by a new batch of folks.

[Christians4LessGvt]

actually cu your example about the ER is a terrible.

No it's reality.
Any major city in the United States has a huge burden in their hospitals of illegals.
Many emergency rooms have actually been closed.

the first come first serve policy should always be the standard.

No it shouldn't.
American citizens should get service first.
Most cases in public hospital emergency rooms are not life threatening.
Why should someone with the flu that is in this country illegally get "free"
service from the American taxpayer before an American citizen with the flu?

Also I personally experiance the legendary 6hr wait in the ER  in sf general a similiar type hospital as your friend. I saw no amigos as you call them,mostly european decent in san francisco ER. it`s simply  regional on whats crowding a ER.

Your snap-shot experience certianly does not match-up to the reality that
is reflected across the country on a daily basis.

and the crowding of such service is driven by economic factors not citizenship status.

exactly and most illegals that are in this country are
not exactly at the top end of the spectrum

if all illegals were gone today the ER will get crowded again in a few months by a
new batch of folks.

Thats insane logic and it's just not factual.
Study after study shows illegals cost our healthcare system billions.
To pretend that is not real is just fantasy land.
At least 60% of illegals have no insurance....
The percent for American Citizens is almost half that.
Illegals percentage wise are much more likely to want "free" medical care

if the illegals were not here there would be less burden on hospitals
For example the birthrate among illegals is much, much higher
So if they weren't here having all the ninos
the enormous costs of childbirth would not
simply be replaced by a "new batch of folks".

[Christians4LessGvt]

Then it serves no purpose

Uh?....It serves a great purpose!
Why pay to deport when you dont have to?
SIRS the beauty of this solution is it bi-passes deportation
but accomplishes the same thing
There would be no need to deport.
Most....the vast majority...if they cant get cars, water, electric, and jobs
will go home on their own....better they go home on their own than deport

since we already have laws that provide emergency medical coverage to anyone.

I thought it was a given that with a Federal Citizen ID card that requires
citizenship to recieve non-life threatening medical care, car registration,
utility services, jobs, any gvt aid, a bank account, ect.......that the law you
speak of would be super-ceded.

hey can stay in other family's homes.  They can continue to work as slave labor. 

Come on....really? 30 million people are gonna "stay in other's homes"?
Whose homes? 30 million people are gonna find citizens that have room
for 30 million "visitors"? They cant continue to work as slave labor...because
employers would be fined severly for hiring them. There are not 30 million
slave labor jobs available in the US. If they are locked out of work and
locked out of assistance they will leave. Millions will leave. It's really
not very complicated. Without food and shelter people will look elsewhere.
It's needs to be a FACT that if you are illegal it is not a "better life" to be in the
United States.

It's very simple C, to "make it difficult",

I agree....I have laid out my plan....whats your "very simple" plan?
Obviously what we have on the books now is not working.

without adding layers and layers of more Government bureacracy. 

Again....it would not add layers and layers of Gvt....
it would actually greatly reduce layer after layer of gvt.
With the Citizen ID card you wouldnt need near as many people
dealing with all the problems illegals are causing. Currently we have
a huge burden our our gvts dealing with this flood of illegals.
Hospitals, schools, prisons, jails, courts, gvt assist agencies,
border patrol, ect.. x 1000. All these entities would be far far less
burdened because the vast majority of illegals would leave without
basic necessities. And more importantly millions more would not come.
You're not gonna immigrate to somewhere you will basically "starve".

The Fed enforces existing law, both to those who illegally enter and to those who hire illegal immgrants 

Hows that plan been working out for ya?
Obviously thats not working.
It's time to try something else.

[Xavier_Onassis]

The priority in any ER I have ever been in has been the people with the most life-threatening situations are treated first. That is the way it should be.

For every dollar the illegals cost in services, they save citizens lots more in cheap labor, especially construction, roofing, gardening, tree trimming and such.

[sirs]

Then it serves no purpose

Uh?....It serves a great purpose!

If the purpose is to greater empower Government and its inner bureacracy, perhaps

Why pay to deport when you dont have to?

I can't even begin to imagine the cost of all the new government employees that will have to track these cards, organize them, hell, they'll even start to use them to focus on campaign strategies to better embrace a new demographic.  And don't forget all the new heads of the department, and their assistants.  Then add to that the costs of making the cards, maintaining them, replacing them, enhancing/upgrading them, etc., etc. etc.  All at taxpayer expense

No, its not a cost I'm willing to support, given our current economic abyss Obama has put us in.  The only beauty I can see is the boondoggle for the left with a whole brand new agency, with a whole flock of new federal & unionized employees.  Sorry C, it really isn't a good idea to this conservative, IMHO, who supports a constitutional focused & limited sized government.  Especially when we already have all the laws we need, on the matter.  They're just not enforced, because its simply politically incorrect, especially for the current party in power.

[kimba1]

The new batch would be the unemployed and maybe less than a few months .I

[Christians4LessGvt]

Sirs....it basically could be a driver's license that shows citizenship status.
We are not really talking about a lot of money compared to the billions
saved getting this scurge, this national disgrace out of our country
where they do not belong.

Millions of people get passports where their citizenship is verified.
You're telling me with this disaster of mass illegal immigration we cant get this done?
It's certainly much cheaper & more effective than some fence over hundreds of miles.
We need to come up with a new reality....
And that reality is "you're shit outta luck if you are in our country illegally".
You wont get utilities, you wont get car registration, you wont get employment,
you wont get loans, and you wont get gvt assist, & you wont get anyhing but
real actual emergency medical care.

This logic of "well as long as they are already here" is a bunch of bullshit!
the answer is "NO"....get the hell out of my country illegal invader!

[sirs]

Sirs....it basically could be a driver's license that shows citizenship status.

We already have that.....it's called a Driver's License.  It's generally only issued to folks who are legally in this country, be it citizen or visa. 

And yes, we are talking about a "lot of money", but worse, BIGGER GOVERNMENT

You're telling me with this disaster of mass illegal immigration we cant get this done?...We need to come up with a new reality....

Putting aside the HUGE advantage such a program would be to the left, as they get to manage, manipulate, and expand yet another federal bureacracy, who do you think is going to get it passed.  In those immortal words, be careful with what you ask for.  In what reality is such a program ever to be passed? 
 

This logic of "well as long as they are already here" is a bunch of bullshit!  the answer is "NO"....get the hell out of my country illegal invader!

A card, or lack there of isn't going to do it.  Illegal immigrants are pulled over every day without a Driver's license, or other official cards.  As long as there are those who'll house them and those who'll hire them under the books, without much fear of the law coming after them, whether they have this card or not, will make very little difference.  It would however expand our government and its inheirent bloated and inefficient bureacracy, even bigger

IMHO

[Christians4LessGvt]

ok we can just respectfully disagree

but my Fedearl Citizen Card
repeat "my".....as in....done my way
would not add gvt...it would actually...net...greatly lessen gvt
and it would put an end to illegal immigration....period
ending illegal immigration = lots less gvt

as to your question....would it pass?.....hell no
i never said it it would pass
I said to BT...illegal immigration was "easy to solve"
because it is....very easy
deny them jobs/shelter/water/electric/medical/basic necessities
make life for an illegal miserable....as in a living hell
and they leave and more dont come

but no it's not gonna pass....
the people pimping out our country dont want it solved
so i'll eventually get my place in the country
and ride out the storm of watching our country become more 3rd world like
because no one wanted to make tough choices.....so be it

Harvard University professor Samuel P. Huntington stated in 2004 that:
Demographically, socially and culturally, the reconquista of the Southwest United States
by Mexico is well under way. No other immigrant group in U.S. history has asserted or could
assert a historical claim to U.S. territory. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans can and do make that claim.

in fact this weekend my brother and I are going to look at this spot
a place to eventually escape the creeping 3rd world


FM 47 Wills Point, TX 75169 70+- acreas Team Hulsey Tiffany & Tony Century 21 Millennium Group

[sirs]

So...if your plan had no chance of passing, as you've conceded, and mine doesn't either (enforcing current immigration law and punishing those who hire illegal immigrants, because its too PIC), which is then the more conservative approach, to rhetorically focus on??

But yes, we can definately agree to respecfully disagree on this one

[Christians4LessGvt]

which is then the more conservative approach, to rhetorically focus on??

i'm not 100% sure i understand your question
but i basically think it's a mute point
i tell friends when we discuss this at the watercooler at work:

"I wouldnt worry about it....we're done.....we're gonna get taken over"
"it will take a few more years....birth rates will let the half wits ruin our country"
"but all is not lost....brain-power will find a pocket to survive and prosper in"
"basically "Balkanization" will eventually happen"
"just like in Iraq.....the country is and has been in shambles"
"but the Kurds live differently than most of Iraq"
check out link below....
i think this is where we're headed eventually...once the illegal invasion/take-over is full circle
http://www.theotheriraq.com/press_CBS.html

[Xavier_Onassis]

I see no problem with a federal ID card. Everyone in the EU has one: it's called a CARNET in Spain and France.

But a microchip would be harder to lose.