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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2008, 07:02:43 PM »
I don't  think that real Gypsies actually are into "preaching a little gospel" or "selling a couple bottles of Dr. Good".

That would be a bit more in line with Travelers.

Gypsies traditionally are into fake home repair, phony jewelry, boojum scams (here is this bag of money I just found...), fortunetelling.


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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2008, 08:10:02 PM »
Did I not just post about some really successful Romani? Why are you all still lumping them all in as con-men or thieves?

I hope that Purgatory for racist whites is run by Aborigines and Romani.

As an aside, my parents still have a blanket they bought from a Gypsy back in the mid-70's in Germany. There's no telling how many times that thing has been washed and they still use it. It is at least thirty-three years old. I reckon they've gotten their money's worth.
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #63 on: May 22, 2008, 08:23:39 PM »
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The leader of the Lega Nord is Umberto Bossi - he served in prison for inciting violence. While he served in cabinet in 2003 he ordered the Navy to fire on boats filled with immigrants. Read here.

Before becoming a politician, Bossi was a sympathiser of the Italian Communist Party in his early years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Bossi

Ideology

The party's ideology is a combination of political federalism, fiscal federalism and regionalism. In Veneto it supports Venetism, in Lombardy the defense of Lombard culture and language, in Piedmont the defense of Piedmontese culture and language, and so on. The historical goal of the party is to transform Italy into a federal State and, through Lega Nord, federalism has become an important political issue in the country since the 1990s. This is the main difference between the League and the other European regionalist parties, which demand special rights only for their regions (see the Basque Nationalist Party, the Republican Left of Catalonia, Plaid Cymru, the Scottish National Party, or the Vlaams Belang).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_League_%28Italy%29#Ideology

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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #64 on: May 22, 2008, 11:53:21 PM »
As an aside, my parents still have a blanket they bought from a Gypsy back in the mid-70's in Germany. There's no telling how many times that thing has been washed and they still use it. It is at least thirty-three years old. I reckon they've gotten their money's worth.

There was a really good Roma restaurant in Vienna to which I've always wanted to go back.
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2008, 12:01:59 AM »
In South America Nortamericanos are suspected of stealing children and kidneys.

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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2008, 12:43:57 PM »
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The leader of the Lega Nord is Umberto Bossi - he served in prison for inciting violence. While he served in cabinet in 2003 he ordered the Navy to fire on boats filled with immigrants. Read here.

Before becoming a politician, Bossi was a sympathiser of the Italian Communist Party in his early years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Bossi

Ideology

The party's ideology is a combination of political federalism, fiscal federalism and regionalism. In Veneto it supports Venetism, in Lombardy the defense of Lombard culture and language, in Piedmont the defense of Piedmontese culture and language, and so on. The historical goal of the party is to transform Italy into a federal State and, through Lega Nord, federalism has become an important political issue in the country since the 1990s. This is the main difference between the League and the other European regionalist parties, which demand special rights only for their regions (see the Basque Nationalist Party, the Republican Left of Catalonia, Plaid Cymru, the Scottish National Party, or the Vlaams Belang).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_League_%28Italy%29#Ideology

I'm not even sure this is worth addressing Bt.

But before getting into that. Bossi was a sympathizer with Italian communists in his early years. Now can you show outrage? If you believe that he's not a fascist?

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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2008, 12:44:35 PM »
As an aside, my parents still have a blanket they bought from a Gypsy back in the mid-70's in Germany. There's no telling how many times that thing has been washed and they still use it. It is at least thirty-three years old. I reckon they've gotten their money's worth.

There was a really good Roma restaurant in Vienna to which I've always wanted to go back.

I've never been to a Roma restaurant, what kind of food was it?
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2008, 12:46:39 PM »
I've never been to a Roma restaurant, what kind of food was it?

Unique. Kind of a mix of Indian, Middle Eastern, and southern European.

Closest thing I have found in the US is a Kurdish restaurant in the Twin Cities (Babani's in St. Paul).
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2008, 01:10:41 PM »
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'm not even sure this is worth addressing Bt.

You introduced Bossi to the mix. Seems his politics are eclectic. The thrust of his parties ideology seems to be federalism with strong regional autonomy, i'm guessing much like Canada. or possibly the EU.

BTW when he gave the order to fire on immigrant ships it was during a time when 1000's a day were coming on shore. And he did say fire two warning shots first. How does that equate to him being racist?

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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2008, 01:58:26 PM »
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'm not even sure this is worth addressing Bt.

You introduced Bossi to the mix. Seems his politics are eclectic. The thrust of his parties ideology seems to be federalism with strong regional autonomy, i'm guessing much like Canada. or possibly the EU.

BTW when he gave the order to fire on immigrant ships it was during a time when 1000's a day were coming on shore. And he did say fire two warning shots first. How does that equate to him being racist?


It is not like Canada. They aren't even like Plaid or the SNP as the article suggests. It is separatism. He was an early communist sympathizer, Mussolini was a socialist before being thrown out of the party. Reagan was a New Deal Democrat before marrying Nancy. It really has little to do with it. There are certainly racist communists, Stalin was no better to the Roma or Sami than many modern democracies have been.

Separatist parties are often eclectic. They are built around regionalism, which is not a political philosophy at all, but geographical and racial idealism. It often includes nationalism as well. They often have to form political philosophy as a part of a democracy in order to gain votes - Bloc Quebecois for example.

This is where left-liberalism gets stupid. I'll provide an example. Left-liberals in the UK ran around wailing about how Scotland should be free and have their own Assembly. Why? Where the Scottish represented in Westminster? Yes. In fact, Scotland and Wales have more MP's per capita than England. They are deliberately over-represented! Yet, here were all these people bitching about how Scotland and Wales needed their own Assemblies, they needed to make their own decisions.

Why?

Bottom line was - they're Scots, so they deserved something England did not have. It was purely racial and nationalist. It was bullshit. Yet, it was leftists (with the exception of some Scottish right wing folks) who supported it. In other countries it appeals to the right wing. It varies.

Go to Quebec - same issue, race. Go to nearly any separatist movement and you'll see it. There are a few legitimate movements where oppression is so severe that liberation is the only choice. Is Northern Italy one of them? Hell no, of course not.

So how do you get votes? Well you could put together a deep agenda of political merit. That takes time, effort, money, and a thinking voting base. Democracy doesn't function that way. So you use the time-honored emotional appeal of the racist. You blame immigrants, unpopular minorities, hated outcasts, for every ill of society. That works well! People love raw emotion. They don't want to think. They want leadership & charisma. They want action.


As for the second question, you really need me to answer how firing upon an unarmed ship of immigrants is racist? Seriously?
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2008, 04:10:06 PM »
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As for the second question, you really need me to answer how firing upon an unarmed ship of immigrants is racist? Seriously?

Yeah.  If the ship was carrying illegal immigrants and the Coast Guard ordered them to stop up to three times , does it matter what color they are?




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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2008, 07:43:51 PM »

Go to Quebec - same issue, race. Go to nearly any separatist movement and you'll see it.


ROFLMAO!!!

So tell us - what race are the residents of Quebec, and what race is the rest of Canada?

Wasn't aware that speaking a different language was the distinguishing feature between races....
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2008, 12:54:33 AM »

Go to Quebec - same issue, race. Go to nearly any separatist movement and you'll see it.


ROFLMAO!!!

So tell us - what race are the residents of Quebec, and what race is the rest of Canada?

Wasn't aware that speaking a different language was the distinguishing feature between races....

Sure it is, they believe they are French and not English.

You're trying to make the irrational rational. Racism (or bigotry, if you prefer) is not an exact science. It is absolutely irrational and emotional.

I'll still call it racism. Just as you are a racist.
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Re: Italy deals with unwanted immigrants
« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2008, 02:17:28 AM »
Is celebrating St. Patricks Day racist?