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Ooops!  My bad.  Just re-checked the article and it appears the mayor had obtained an eviction order, so this was no police-state action.  Everything was apparently constitutional after all.

Still and all, in response to Kramer's "If the police tell me to move, I move," I think the legitimate response is "On what authority?"  Cops don't have the right to arbitrarily order people around on a public space.

betcha $100 that the mayor is a liberal Democrat too.

You just topped yourself, Sirs, with that post.

BSB

That one was real impressive. How long did it take to think that response out?

I don't understand what you mean by "let's see some consistency" but I'll tell you my reaction to the story and you tell me if it's consistent or not.  (Consistent with what, I'd like to know, but who gives a shit - - here it is, consistent or not)

I think it's outrageous that the fucking cops fractured a man's skull clearing the square.  I'm sure the guy could have been moved without fracturing his skull.

So:consistent or not?  You tell me.

Consistency would be that he deserved it.

OK Mikey let's see some consistency...

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Occupy-Oakland-Protester-Seriously-Hurt-Report-132644468.html

One of the most vivid images from Tuesday night's Occupy Oakland protest shows a man lying in the street bleeding from the head after a tear gas attack by police.

Occupy SF identified the man as 24-year-old Scott Olsen, an Iraq war veteran. Olsen has a fractured skull and is in critical condition at Highland Hospital in Oakland, according to a hospital spokesperson.

Wednesday afternoon, members of Occupy Oakland said Olsen was surrounded by his friends and fellow Iraq war veterans in the hospital.

In the end, other protesters picked him up and took him out of the area.

Huffington Post talked to Olsen's roommate who told them doctors put him under sedation because of swelling to his brain.

The release stated that Olsen is currently sedated at Highland Hospital in Oakland with a skull fracture awaiting examination by a neurosurgeon.

Abele Carpenter, 29, a friend of Olsen's who met him through his anti-war activism, said she visited Olsen in the hospital early Wednesday morning and has been in touch with his family.

Carpenter said the hospital has stopped allowing her to visit Olsen, who was stable but still in serious condition when she saw him last, and is waiting for his family to arrive from Wisconsin.

Carpenter said she first met Olsen over the summer through her work with the Civilian-Soldier Alliance after he moved to the Bay Area in July.

She said Olsen is "really passionate about his work speaking out against unjust wars, and for rights for veterans and service members."

Carpenter said that a few weeks ago, she and Olsen did outreach together for active duty sailors during Fleet Week, and that Olsen was involved in trying to stop the redeployment of traumatized service members.

"He has a real breadth to his politics and social justice commitment," Carpenter said. She said Olsen had been camping at Occupy SF consistently for at least a week.

Joshua Shepherd, a six-year Navy veteran and an activist with Veterans for Peace, attended the vigil, and said he also visited Olsen in the hospital.

"It's unconscionable that you go overseas to protect our country, but you get injured by police officers who are supposed to be protecting us," Shepherd said.

Jason Matherne, an activist and friend of Olsen's, called for protesters to remain non-violent in the face of the escalating protests in Oakland.

"If you agree with Scott about ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and support him, do it peacefully and with civil disobedience," Matherne said.

Another friend at the vigil said a fund is being set up to assist with Olsen's medical expenses and his family's travel expenses from Wisconsin at www.ivaw.org.

Olsen was reportedly a part of San Francisco's Occupy movement, but crossed the Bay to support the effort in Oakland Tuesday night.

A "peaceful" vigil was scheduled for Olsen outside Oakland City Hall at 3 p.m. Wednesday.

Occupy Oakland demonstrators also called for a 6 p.m. protest on Wednesday at 14th and Broadway.

When they get there they will find that the city has put up a chain-link fence around Frank Ogawa Plaza, where the Occupy encampment was dismantled Tuesday morning by police.

The protesters vowed to retake the plaza. That effort is what sparked the violence, including several deployments of tear gas Tuesday night.

Olsen reportedly completed two tours of a duty in Iraq and he is an active member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.


OK Mikey let's see some consistency...

<<You need to tone down the hate speech. Between your rants on this fine young soldier, ranting about the justification of the Red Army raping 12 year old German girls, and your racist rants against Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain you are not doing your cause or yourself any good. People are going to start seeing you as evil and terribly unstable.>>

Thanks for the tip, Kramer.  Gee, I wouldn't want people thinking I'm evil and unstable.  What people exactly would they be?

The ones who supported the torture of prisoners in secret prisons around the world?
The ones who supported the Viet Nam War in which 2,000,000 Vietnamese died?
The ones who supported the invasion of Iraq and the deaths of over a million Iraqis, based on a pack of lies that even children could see through?
The ones who supported the President's murder of an American citizen without charges, indictment or trial?
The ones who support the incarceration of Bradley Manning without habeas corpus, charges, indictment or trial?

Yeah, geeze, if folks like that thought that I was evil and unstable, I couldn't hold my head up anywhere in decent society.  Thanks for the heads-up Kramer.

Sounds like everything you are mad about has nothing to do with the loss of this young soldier. Take it up in another place not here.

<<MT , it is hard to know where to start, you apparently havn't ever spoken to a soldier.>>

plane, I know lots of soldiers, some very well.   In my own family, in my neighbours and among my high school teachers.  I think it's fair to say that I don't know any soldiers who served after the end of WWII.  And I'm willing to consider that they're probably a whole different breed from the WWII vets.

What was your point?

You need to tone down the hate speech. Between your rants on this fine young soldier, ranting about the justification of the Red Army raping 12 year old German girls, and your racist rants against Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain you are not doing your cause or yourself any good. People are going to start seeing you as evil and terribly unstable.

Does Canada have any hate speech laws that you might be breaking?

Mike my guess is it wasn't mandatory he be there after 14 deployments and he must have enjoyed it or felt it was his duty. What would be sad, and the liberal mindset, would be to not let him go if indeed that was his desire. Maybe he felt that his experience might be helpful and maybe protective towards young soldiers on their first deployment and wanted to mentor young kids to keep them safer. There are people out there that are selfless.