Former Dem Pres Candidate & DNC Chairman opposes Ground Zero Mosque!

[Kramer]

Cartoons that have zillions more intelligence in them than your empty head will ever had, I would add.

if you are so damn smart why did you vote for Obama?

[sirs]

Recall that great line..."If Obama was the answer, how stupid was the question?"

[Amianthus]

Our government is not capable of hallowing anything.

Obama made the claim that Ground Zero is "hallowed ground". Several times, IIRC.

[sirs]

"Ground zero is, indeed, hallowed ground,"

[sirs]

Well, like a recent article I posted, if the "idea" was that such a Mosque would bring calm, diversity, and brotherly love....it's failed miserably, having had the polar opposite effect, and not a shovel has hit dirt yet.

So, that begs the question, is there an alternative reason to not budge?

Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles Burlingame was the pilot of the plane the terrorists hijacked and flew into the Pentagon, said she was furious over the president's remarks.

"I'm so angry. I believe this president has abandoned the American people.  This isn't a fight about religious freedom for Muslims.  No one has argued they don't have the property rights. This is about a project led by someone who says he's trying to build bridges and bring the community together and he's chosen probably the worst place in America and the worst way to do it.''

[Xavier_Onassis]

From the Gettysburg Address:\

"But in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract."

If Lincoln said that he and his government were incapable of hallowing Gettysburg, then I don't think that Obama or Bush, or anyone can "hallow" Ground Zero. Or even the Pentagon. Strange that we are not hearing about the PENTAGON being hallowed. Hell it even has its own mosque, right inside the Pentagon, Muslims are praying to Allah RIGHT NOW only inches away from where brave US servicemen died.

Of course, Gettysburg was designated a National Monument or Battlefield, which is as close as a sectarian government can come to making a site "holy".

I do not believe that Obama or any president has the ability to "hallow" anything. I can't see how anyone can believe that he could.
 
The soldiers at Gettysburg died for a cause. The people at the WTC (and at the Pentagon and in that plane) were just bloody unlucky.

How about the victims of the Sultana? should we call that place in the Mississippi where its boilers blew up "hallowed" as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Sultana

[sirs]

From the Gettysburg Address:\

lol....and this refutes Obama saying it....how again??  You said it can't be done by the Government, yet your presicious Obama & the Government just did

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, he didn't, because he couldn't.

There is a place where Muslims pray in the Pentagon, built at government expense and with your tax money. Only yards away from where brave soldiers and sailors died. Go get upset over that.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/05/muslims_infiltrate_pentagon

[Amianthus]

lol....and this refutes Obama saying it....how again??  You said it can't be done by the Government, yet your presicious Obama & the Government just did

Actually, I think both Lincoln and Obama are in agreement on this. The government did not "hallow" the ground; those who lost their lives there did so.

[sirs]

Well deduced

[Michael Tee]

Hallowed my ass.  If all it takes to "hallow" a place is that a whole shitload of people got whacked there at one time or another, the whole fucking planet is probably "hallowed ground" by now.

Why doesn't everyone cut the bullshit and admit that they don't want to see a mosque at Ground Zero because Ground Zero is a focal point for whipping up anti-Muslim hatred and allowing a mosque to be built there indicates some degree of forgiveness and/or tolerance for the Muslim faith that the haters do not wish to concede?  That the mosque on the site would kind of dilute the message of unrelenting hatred that they hope to generate from the site?

[BT]

Why doesn't everyone cut the bullshit and admit that they don't want to see a mosque at Ground Zero because Ground Zero is a focal point for whipping up anti-Muslim hatred and allowing a mosque to be built there indicates some degree of forgiveness and/or tolerance for the Muslim faith that the haters do not wish to concede?  That the mosque on the site would kind of dilute the message of unrelenting hatred that they hope to generate from the site?

I don't think it is as simple as that. And i don't see a difference between you hijacking the issue to further your own agenda and the actions of those you accuse of doing the same.

[Michael Tee]

<<I don't think it is as simple as that. And i don't see a difference between you hijacking the issue to further your own agenda and the actions of those you accuse of doing the same. >>

Let me guess what your dictionary says about hijacking.

"Hijacking the issue"  (def.) = cutting through the BS and identifying the crux of the matter.

Yes, just as I thought.

[sirs]

Good luck in actually validating that "crux"

[Xavier_Onassis]

Hallowed my ass.  If all it takes to "hallow" a place is that a whole shitload of people got whacked there at one time or another, the whole fucking planet is probably "hallowed ground" by now.
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That is almost certainly true, at least of the most settled parts of the earth. Near my home town, there is a place down by the bend of the Missouri River where the Sacs and Foxes pretty much wiped out the last of the Missouri Indians, a Siouan group that ended up merging with the Otoes arpund 1798, before any of the settlers arrived.

It is a good place to find arrowheads.

With regards to the attitude of some of the people about the 9-11 attack, it reminds me of the old cartoon Rebel soldier a squat and raggedy little guy with a Stars and Bars Flag and the motto "Forgit Hell!"

Admitting that Muslims have the same right to have a place of worship as anyone else would be, for them, like admitting defeat, and of course that means no vengeance.