Remember the Wellstone "Memorial"

[sirs]

The connection that this was a transparent opportunistic political endeavor, a literal jumpstart to the 2012 re-election campaign, disguised as a memorial service

[BT]

The connection that this was a transparent opportunistic political endeavor, a literal jumpstart to the 2012 re-election campaign, disguised as a memorial service

So you aren't claiming that the T shirts came from the Obama Campaign?

[sirs]

I'm claiming, as I have all along, that the t-shirts were completely inappropriate, and dovetailed with a campaign kickoff, at this supposed memorial.  I had deduced that the shirts were provided for, by the Administration, then later it appears that the President/Dean of the University supplied them.  Which changes nothing outside of the source of the shirts.  It was still completely & grossly inappropriate venue for a political event

[BT]

What other than the T shirts gave the appearance of a political event, moreso than any other event where politicians are invited speakers. Did Brewer use the event to further her politics?

[Xavier_Onassis]

I find this complaining about t-shirts to be a bit absurd. No one was forced to take a t-shirt that did not want one, no one was forced to wear a t-shirt at all. It is a typical sirs. complaint. Dubious and questionable.

[sirs]

What other than the T shirts gave the appearance of a political event, moreso than any other event where politicians are invited speakers.

How he was introduced, how he was applauded, how he was cheered....as I said, if you closed your eyes, and pretended you were not attending a MEMORIAL SERVICE, you could have sworn you were at a political pep rally

Or are you trying to infer there's no real difference between a political rally & a memorial service.  If that's the case, I really need to have a talk with some folks who've lost loved ones.  They apparently don't know how to do memorials correctly.  Need much more pomp & circumstance.  Perhaps there's a market for memorial attire....sweatshirts, baseball caps, oh, can't forget banners.

And no, this isn't to be confused with those wakes where the mourned do have a party

I find this complaining about t-shirts to be a bit absurd. No one was forced to take a t-shirt that did not want one, no one was forced to wear a t-shirt at all. It is a typical sirs. complaint. Dubious and questionable.

Typical of xo to ignore, dare I say, the obvious

[Xavier_Onassis]

You are just saying what YOU expect from a memorial service. One assumes that you are not Irish or Jewish and have never been to an Irish wake or the reception after a Jewish funeral.

[sirs]

It's what I expect from ANY memorial service.....RESPECT for those who lost their lives, and NOTHING to do with politics

[BT]

How he was introduced, how he was applauded, how he was cheered....as I said, if you closed your eyes, and pretended you were not attending a MEMORIAL SERVICE, you could have sworn you were at a political pep rally

What control did Obama have over
1. His introduction
2. The audience response

Do we have a photo of an applause sign?

[sirs]

He had the pulpit.  He had ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the event, as soon as he took the podium.  Without uttering 1 word, he could have lifted his hands to calm the audience down.  With 1 sentence at the beginning of THE MEMORIAL SERVICE, he could have presented it for what it was, A MEMORIAL SERVICE.  Before he even went into his centrist message, he could have layed the foundation for why they were there, and that it would be inapprproate for any further raukus applause

He's the President of the United States, for crying out loud, Bt.  You don't think he could have had the audience act appropriately, right from the get go? ................. IF he wanted them to, of course.

[Plane]

[BT]

He had the pulpit.  He had ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the event, as soon as he took the podium.  Without uttering 1 word, he could have lifted his hands to calm the audience down.  With 1 sentence at the beginning of THE MEMORIAL SERVICE, he could have presented it for what it was, A MEMORIAL SERVICE.  Before he even went into his centrist message, he could have layed the foundation for why they were there, and that it would be inapprproate for any further raukus applause

He's the President of the United States, for crying out loud, Bt.  You don't think he could have had the audience act appropriately, right from the get go? ................. IF he wanted them to, of course.

Wouldn't that action be more in line with your claim that the event was staged than him being passive to the introduction and or the audience response?

Should he have reminded the audience that he was an invited speaker at a memorial if he had been booed, or should he just gone on with his speech?

[BT]

Yeah there are a lot of similarities between the two incidences.

[sirs]

He had the pulpit.  He had ABSOLUTE CONTROL of the event, as soon as he took the podium. 

Without uttering 1 word, he could have lifted his hands to calm the audience down. 

With 1 sentence at the beginning of THE MEMORIAL SERVICE, he could have presented it for what it was, A MEMORIAL SERVICE. 

Before he even went into his centrist message, he could have layed the foundation for why they were there, and that it would be inapprproate for any further raukus applause

He's the President of the United States, for crying out loud, Bt.  You don't think he could have had the audience act appropriately, right from the get go? ................. IF he wanted them to, of course.

Wouldn't that action be more in line with your claim that the event was staged than him being passive to the introduction and or the audience response?

Yep, but the latter is still just as applicable

Should he have reminded the audience that he was an invited speaker at a memorial if he had been booed, or should he just gone on with his speech?

The former.....IF he wanted it to be an apolitical event

[sirs]

Yeah there are a lot of similarities between the two incidences.

Yea, they were both transparently, political events