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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2011, 12:47:01 AM »
  A very high tax on abortions?

Might merely drive them underground , but since that is the best  expectation anyway I could support it.

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2011, 01:48:53 AM »
agreed....except.....that the 1 unanimous reason for the existence of Government is to protect/defend others who, for whatever reason, are unable to

Is that in the constitution?

Not sure...I'm merely referencing that the primary function of Government is the protection of its citizenry.   It can be universally argued as such.  Folks just have different ways of deciding how, and how much.  What would you put ahead of that?
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2011, 01:51:57 AM »
The unborn are not entitled to rights as are the born.

And what's with this "innocent" life crap? That is just Church balderdash.


Despite whatever problems you have with said "balderdash", especially as it relates to current U.S. laws trying a person for 2 murders in the death of a pregnant woman, the issue still remains pro abortion vs anti abortion.  Always has, always will
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2011, 01:54:00 AM »
A tax on abortions would be effective only up to the cost of leaving the country and getting the abortion in another country.\

You can only prevent poor people from getting abortion with laws and/or money,unless you enforce travel restrictions on pregnant women. People who can travel, will do so, just as they are traveling now to combine safari vacations with nosejobs in the RSA.

Plastic surgery, knee replacement, heart transplants, dental implants are all state of the art and far cheaper than in the US.

If you tax abortions too much, the pregnant woman who can afford it will simply hop on a plane and fly away to get it done elsewhere. Restrictions can only be on the poor who cannot afford to leave and the ignorant, who are not aware of leaving the country. You cannot prosecute someone for having an offshore abortion unless you can prove she was pregnant, and we do not check women to see this when they leave. I imagine that it would be unconstitutional to do so.

 

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2011, 09:33:12 PM »
A tax on abortions would be effective only up to the cost of leaving the country and getting the abortion in another country.\

You can only prevent poor people from getting abortion with laws and/or money,unless you enforce travel restrictions on pregnant women. People who can travel, will do so, just as they are traveling now to combine safari vacations with nosejobs in the RSA.

Plastic surgery, knee replacement, heart transplants, dental implants are all state of the art and far cheaper than in the US.

If you tax abortions too much, the pregnant woman who can afford it will simply hop on a plane and fly away to get it done elsewhere. Restrictions can only be on the poor who cannot afford to leave and the ignorant, who are not aware of leaving the country. You cannot prosecute someone for having an offshore abortion unless you can prove she was pregnant, and we do not check women to see this when they leave. I imagine that it would be unconstitutional to do so.

Arn't most of the abortions happening to the poor ?

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2011, 11:16:42 PM »
That was my point.

Abortions are not happening to the poor, though. Perhaps poor women are having most of them because that is their choice. I don't think the government keeps a list of abortions performed, and it certainly does not have any list categorized by income.

To tax abortions would be discriminatory against the poor, obviously.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2011, 07:36:11 PM »
    For some Women abortion is a calamity. Any woman who thinks it otherwise , isn't paying attention.

    and it does happen much more to the poor , is this present state discrimitory?
   

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2011, 10:32:01 PM »
For some women, and unwanted child is a calamity.

I think a woman and her doctor are better judges of how to avoid that woman can avoid her own personal calamity than a bunch of congressmen who overdosed on parochial school.

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2011, 02:06:40 AM »
For some women, and unwanted child is a calamity.

I think a woman and her doctor are better judges of how to avoid that woman can avoid her own personal calamity than a bunch of congressmen who overdosed on parochial school.

  A child is not a calamity, no one should ever be considered unworthy of existance, have we learned nothing since 1939 to 1945? when that sort of attitude nearly burned the world down?

The Malthusian fear of being up to ones chin in lower class persons need not be a problem solved with geonocide.

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2011, 08:43:33 AM »
Genocide and the Holocaust are not really related to abortions.

I support allowing women to make their own decisions. If anti-abortion types want to offer better alternatives, they are free to do so.
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2011, 01:31:48 PM »
As Ami has provided for you, on countless occasions when you bring this up, they do
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2011, 10:48:35 PM »
Genocide and the Holocaust are not really related to abortions.

I support allowing women to make their own decisions. If anti-abortion types want to offer better alternatives, they are free to do so.

Pro abortionists have heaped so much love on the act of abortion that it has become the most protected right in the nation.

There are alternatives at every stage already , but the geonocide goes on the diffrence between the holocaust and American Abortion is mostly that the Holocaust was smaller and had fewer victims.

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2011, 11:02:04 PM »
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To tax abortions would be discriminatory against the poor, obviously.

Discrimination against income levels is perfectly legal, and in some circles revered.

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2011, 11:03:58 PM »
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To tax abortions would be discriminatory against the poor, obviously.

Discrimination against income levels is perfectly legal, and in some circles revered.


Hahahahahahaha!

Caught me off gaurd there.

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2011, 11:22:04 AM »
Genocide is the extermination of a specific RACE or NATIONALITY of one group by another (Armenians by the Turks, Jews by the Germans  & Austrians, and Malekites by the Jews).

Abortions are not genocide by any normal definition of the word.
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