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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #195 on: April 30, 2011, 05:27:15 PM »
When that viable unborn child's life is being threatened.  Already gave you a number...25weeks.  Otherwise, let it be
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #196 on: April 30, 2011, 05:32:32 PM »
When that viable unborn child's life is being threatened.  Already gave you a number...25weeks.  Otherwise, let it be

1. I never gave a number. You did.

And two: And if the doctor and the mother decide to proceed after the point of viability?

Whatcha gonna do?


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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #197 on: April 30, 2011, 05:55:03 PM »
When that viable unborn child's life is being threatened.  Already gave you a number...25weeks.  Otherwise, let it be

1. I never gave a number. You did.


a) I never claimed you did.  I made it painfully clear I did, based on viability, so an interesting irrelevant point to bring up as any number, much less 1.


And two: And if the doctor and the mother decide to proceed after the point of viability?

Whatcha gonna do?


b) There in lies the conundrum of the current debate on abortion.  Suffice to say, its not about extra large government, as you were trying to push, its about small government sticking to its constitutional guidelines, and at a minimum not supporting any agency that provides the opportunity to kill one of those viable unborn children
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #198 on: April 30, 2011, 06:18:51 PM »
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There in lies the conundrum of the current debate on abortion.  Suffice to say, its not about extra large government, as you were trying to push, its about small government sticking to its constitutional guidelines, and at a minimum not supporting any agency that provides the opportunity to kill one of those viable unborn children

My posityion has been that the government has no business in the abortion business, whether legislating for or against it or funding it, just as they have no business getting involved with any other elective surgery. So it is not I who is pushing for a larger government role. I am advocating just the opposite. And it is pretty clear where you stand on that issue, based on your postings concerning whether it appropriate for the tea party folks to get in volved in conservatively driven social issues.

My understanding is that there are already laws on the books that for forbid the federal government from directly funding abortions. Are you advocating that they expand that law to defund any organization that performs abortions?

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #199 on: April 30, 2011, 06:48:42 PM »
And my position is that the Government has a primary responsibility to protect its citizenry.  NOT your ridiculous notion of a 24hr armed guard escort service, merely that it protect those who can not otherwise protect themselves from imminent injury/death.  Nor does it require "big government" to do so, either
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #200 on: April 30, 2011, 06:56:31 PM »
And my position is that the Government has a primary responsibility to protect its citizenry.  NOT your ridiculous notion of a 24hr armed guard escort service, merely that it protect those who can not otherwise protect themselves from imminent injury/death.  Nor does it require "big government" to do so, either

So what is your plan ?

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #201 on: April 30, 2011, 06:58:14 PM »
b) There in lies the conundrum of the current debate on abortion.  Suffice to say, its not about extra large government, as you were trying to push, its about small government sticking to its constitutional guidelines, and at a minimum not supporting any agency that provides the opportunity to kill one of those viable unborn children
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #202 on: April 30, 2011, 07:29:52 PM »
b) There in lies the conundrum of the current debate on abortion.  Suffice to say, its not about extra large government, as you were trying to push, its about small government sticking to its constitutional guidelines, and at a minimum not supporting any agency that provides the opportunity to kill one of those viable unborn children

So any hospital that accepts medicare and also performs abortions would no longer be eligible for  payment for services rendered?

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #203 on: April 30, 2011, 07:41:24 PM »
If those abortion dollars can be tracked back to the tax payer, absolutely
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #204 on: April 30, 2011, 07:52:51 PM »
Tax payer dollars for medicare are mixed in with the abortion payments to the general operating fund.

Much like what happens with planned parenthood.

So hospitals take a hit or they don't perform legal elective surgery. Is that the plan?

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #205 on: April 30, 2011, 08:00:51 PM »
If those abortion dollars can be tracked back to the tax payer, absolutely
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #206 on: April 30, 2011, 08:54:15 PM »
If those abortion dollars can be tracked back to the tax payer, absolutely

is that the case with planned parenthood?

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #207 on: May 01, 2011, 04:12:58 AM »
Since they specialize in the procedure, and openly advocate the process, I do believe that's the case
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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #208 on: May 01, 2011, 12:47:31 PM »
Since they specialize in the procedure, and openly advocate the process, I do believe that's the case

The question was whether abortion dollars are intermingled with tax dollars into some general fund. Much like medicare hospitals that also do abortions. or are they separately accounted for, at least on paper.

What is the factual truth of the situation when comparing planned parenthood to any other medical facility that receives federal funds for other purposes. Are they just a symbolic poster boy?


 

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Re: The myth of the "pro-life" Democrat
« Reply #209 on: May 01, 2011, 02:18:33 PM »
If those abortion dollars can be tracked back to the tax payer, you have your answer
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