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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2011, 12:00:27 AM »
This is not suicide for Israel, just as the accords in Northern Ireland were not suicide for the IRA.


I don't see the simularity .

flatly


Every time that Isreal has been vunerable it has been attacked.

But if they lie down and break down all the security they have now , there will be no attack.

Really?  How ? What is diffrent now?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2011, 12:07:27 AM »
There are attacks on Jews by Arabs and vice versa regardless of concessions. Jews regularly attack and harass and occasionally maim and kill Palestinians in Hebron regularly.

This is NOT MY PROBLEM. Let Israel deal with its own damn problems. We have subsidized them and their colonizations long enough.

The Arab World is changing.There is no better time than now to deal with this.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2011, 12:11:50 AM »
  We are subsidiseing both sides.

More support to Isreal , but the Palistinians would starve quicker if we were not.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2011, 02:54:58 AM »
The Golan Heights deal with Syria, what does that have to do with lands to the West?

I thought we were referring to strategic lands, Israel acquired in defending itself.  The Golan Heights aren't some of them??
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2011, 03:10:03 AM »
  We are subsidiseing both sides.

More support to Isreal , but the Palistinians would starve quicker if we were not.


Excellent point.  So, we're all in agreement, no one gets anything from the U.S., correct?  No Israeli subsidizing and no Palestinian subsidizing, correct?
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2011, 04:06:00 AM »
  We are subsidiseing both sides.

More support to Isreal , but the Palistinians would starve quicker if we were not.


Excellent point.  So, we're all in agreement, no one gets anything from the U.S., correct?  No Israeli subsidizing and no Palestinian subsidizing, correct?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2011, 06:12:03 AM »


Rabbi: "The President of the United States is Asking for Ethnic Cleansing"



*Chuckle* Ever dramatic, the only ethnic cleansing that will happen to Israelis is due to Palestinians reproducing faster and outnumbering them quite naturally.

Never mind the Arab ethnic cleansing that the Israelis have been doing for decades. But Arabs aren't human, so it doesn't count.  :-X

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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2011, 08:46:05 AM »
Henny: "Never mind the Arab ethnic cleansing that the Israelis have been doing for decades."
 

That's just a little social engineering from the right. Nothing to be concerned with.


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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2011, 11:24:44 AM »
The Golan is not part of the disputed territory. It was never part of Palestine or the British Palestine Protectorate. It was a part of Syria. This is not something that concerns the two-state solution.

If there is a two-state solution, the 1967 borders are where they need to begin negotiations. For everything that the Israelis keep, they have to offer something in return.

Territory acquired by conquest cannot be retained without mutual agreement. That is in the UN Charter. Israel's existence was a result of the UN.

And this has NOTHING to do with American Indians or any other conquests prior to 1945.

The last agreement that Clinton negotiated used the 1967 borders as a basis. ALL serious negotiations so far have done this.

Netanyahu is a farce. He claims he wants to negotiate, but he torpedoes every talk session with some annoying violation, time after time. He wants to wear the Palestinians down and keep all the WB. So screw him.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2011, 01:28:58 PM »
The Golan Heights, like the West Bank, is a strategic DEFENSIVE area of land.  THAT was the point
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2011, 03:15:36 PM »
No, the point is that negotiations between the Palestinians and the Israelis will not include discussions over the Golan Heights. The Golan will belong either to Israel or to Syria. It was never part of Palestine, and no Palestinians claims it. It does not adjoin any part of the West Bank. Look at a map.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2011, 03:59:42 PM »
No, the point is the strategic lands, that BT brought up as a reference of what Israel would and wouldn't accept.  That includes the Golan Heights along with the obvious West Bank
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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2011, 04:02:40 PM »
Only in the madcap land of sirs.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2011, 04:42:16 PM »
LOL....hit paydirt.  Thank you for playing.  We have some nice parting gifts for you     8)
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2011, 05:20:23 PM »
it`s a shame how screwed up this is. if some guy offered Australia to either party to leave ,it will highly likely not be taken. these folks are risking their families lives for a concept of land rights.

I wonder if they be willing to nuke it or is that a step too far even for them?