Obama throws Israel under the Bus

[sirs]

SIRS.....realize we are talking fantasy land again
but I am not sure about statehood for Israel
I'd have to see what the ramifications were
i'm sure some up side and bad side
people smarter than me would have to
explain to me the plus/minus ratio
it's a fun "what if" but i doubt has
any practicality.....but i'd like one
aspect of it...it would drive the
IslamoNazis absolutely bonkers!

[sirs]

So, are the repercussions not severe enough, you think??

It would be so simple.

They could all become Christians , or the half that are not Jews could convert to Judaism , or the half that are not Muslim could convert to Islam.

They would rather die, of course< so what repercussions can be enough?

Are you deducing that no repercussions can be severe enough, outside of Bt's nuclear deterrent to all parties?

[BT]

Who said we were paying Israel anything?

The Second 10-Year Plan: Proposed U.S. Military Aid to Israel
(FY2009-FY2018)
2009    
$2.55 billion
2010    
$2.70 billion
2011    
$2.85 billion
2012    
$3.00 billion
2013-2018    
$3.15 billion per year

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/foreign_aid.html

[sirs]

LOL....I know you're not that dense.  I wasn't asking what we currently pay to Israel.  You asked.....oh gravy....who's paying for the repercussions of my plan, that I supposedly was against any subsidies to Israel.  I thought I made it crystal clear that the no subsidies was an answer to YOUR question, and not about my plan.  Further, the $'s spent in the repercussions aren't even going to Israel, they're going towards the 3rd party, enforcing the repercussions, whoever they may be.

NONE of this having anything to do with what Israel currently receives in U.S. aid

[BT]

  Further, the $'s spent in the repercussions aren't even going to Israel, they're going towards the 3rd party, enforcing the repercussions, whoever they may be.

The repercussions have a cost, no matter who the 3rd party is. Who pays according to your plan, and why?

[sirs]

The why is pretty obvious.....personel, equipment, logistics, intel, etc.

The who, is whoever is behind helping to put together this plan, split up between those folk.  You think your joint U.S./USSR nuke deterrent is a freebie?  Nukes don't grow on trees, and nuclear devices don't make themselves.  Same principle, only fashioned around reality of using standard ordinance and manpower, and whatever else is necessary to enforce the peace, thru monitoring, intel, and these repercussions, if they become necessary

[BT]

So who is the whoever. Previously you mentioned NATO . Does that mean the US foots the bill again.

By the By. The bombs are built. The only expense other than a minimum staff is whatever delivery mechanism is used to meet the repercussions.

What has Libya cost us thus far?

Bet my solution is cheaper in treasure and third party casualties.

[Xavier_Onassis]

t's a fun "what if" but i doubt has
any practicality.....but i'd like one
aspect of it...it would drive the
IslamoNazis absolutely bonkers!
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That is the main problem with you. You favor stupid, really stupid gestures just to tick people off over any sort of rational thought.

If Palisrael were the 51st state, all this "Jewish State" crap would go out the window. We have no established religion in the USA, and are better off for it.

There would be no more destroying olive groves and bulldozing homes without compensation.

There would be no more "special highways" on which cars with Palestine plates could be prevented from driving.

No more subsidies for Ultra-Orthodox "religious scholars" who are paid by the state of Israel for spending their entire lives studying the Torah while their wives compete by popping out maximum quantities of babies at government expense.

No more jailing Palestinians for up to a month without charges.

No change that the Third temple would ever be built on the Al Aqsa Mosque site.

Palestinians could sue for discrimination and get equal funds to attend colleges and schools.

And of course, everyone would get free subsidized, single-payer health care.

But it would tick off "IslamoNazis". (not to mention JudeoNazis).

[Religious Dick]

'US Congress controlled by AIPAC'

[Xavier_Onassis]

I question that Israel is worth all the money and aid we give them.

I do not think that their being an ally has helped us as much as it has harmed us.

[sirs]

So who is the whoever. Previously you mentioned NATO . Does that mean the US foots the bill again.

Possibly.  They foot it in yours

By the By. The bombs are built. The only expense other than a minimum staff is whatever delivery mechanism is used to meet the repercussions.   Bet my solution is cheaper in treasure and third party casualties.

While we ignore the exponential greater loss in both 1st party treasure and casualties

[BT]

While we ignore the exponential greater loss in both 1st party treasure and casualties

right.

heckuva incentive to keep the peace

[Xavier_Onassis]

I am thinking just a really, really large bomb under the Western Wall and the Dome of the Rock might be an adequate incentive. Or some way of just blowing these up.

Of course, all these plans involving destruction and death are rather moot.

As I have pointed out, Palisrael is rife with all manner of fanatics: The Goldberg who machine gunned a mosqueful of worshippers, a number of bus bombers, the clown who shot Rabin. They art not lacking in crazy martyrs, and in fact have one of the world's largest supplied of them.

I do not see the US or NATO or even the Russians blowing up innocent people because of what some crazy fool has done. That is the flaw there.

[sirs]

While we ignore the exponential greater loss in both 1st party treasure and casualties

right.

heckuva incentive to keep the peace

And a non-starter to boot.  congrats

[BT]

While we ignore the exponential greater loss in both 1st party treasure and casualties

right.

heckuva incentive to keep the peace

And a non-starter to boot.  congrats

I get the feeling peace is not the ultimate goal, with you.