Obama throws Israel under the Bus

[sirs]

It's almost surreal to watch Xo, proclaim out of 1 side of his mouth that the Palestinian elections putting Hamas on a governmental footing was an abhorent act facilitated by Condi, yet with the other side here, is opining the shining example of Arab democracy

So which is it? 

And beyond that blatant inconsistency, still doesn't refute the point being made by the commentary.......RIP "Peace Process"

[Xavier_Onassis]

Hamas is a nasty bunch, but they did get a plurality of votes in Gaza.


It was foolish of Condi to call for elections with such poor intel on who might win.

Stupid Condi, for calling the elections.
Stupid Hamas, for thinking that their puny rockets will serve to free them from their prison.
Stupid Israel for not resolving this long ago.
Stupid Americans for given Israel all that aid.
Stupid you for not seeing how stupid all this really is.

[sirs]

Hamas is a nasty bunch, but they did get a plurality of votes in Gaza.

Ok then....so the peace process is indeed dead.  Stupid Obama for not recognizing this.  Stupid Xo for persevering on the word, stupid

[Xavier_Onassis]

I have no effect on the peace process. Nothing I say changes anything.

Netanyahu will continue to stall. He obviously wants no settlement. He will continue to be a goon and a thug.

Israel will face more difficult and more popular governments in Syria and Egypt.

[sirs]

I have no effect on the peace process. Nothing I say changes anything.

Deflection alert...deflection alert.  As if anyone ever claimed you did     

Netanyahu will continue to stall. He obviously wants no settlement.

Yet he's the only one willing to acknowledge the right & existance of a Palestinian state.  Can't say the same for the other side in that 2 party arrangement, now, can we

Israel will face more difficult and more popular governments in Syria and Egypt.

RIP Peace Process

[Xavier_Onassis]

When was it that Netanyahu recognized Palestine as a nation?

Who is the ambassador?

[sirs]

MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, in recognizing that Palestinians could exist as a state next to Israel

And how many times has Hamas, (the "plurality of Palestinian votes", the shining example of Arab Democracy), reciprocated?  How about zero

[Xavier_Onassis]

Israel has NEVER recognized Palestine. NEVER.

Hamas is no more unreasonable than some of the parties in Netanyahu's coalition, like Shas.

[sirs]

That's not the issue.....the issue is of a Palestinian state next to an Israeli state.  I realize deflection is one of your strengths, but apparently you need to stick with teaching spanish, since history is not your forte.  "Palestine" did not include an "Israeli state", so its a moot point to be declaring how Bibi hasn't ever acknowledged "Palestine"

Modern day Israel in general, and Netanyahu specifically, has on multiple occasions acknowledged the Palestinians in having their own state, next to Israel.  Can't say the same, the other way around now, which is where you keep tripping all over yourself, in try to lay this at Bibi's feet. 

And your continued efforts to give Hamas a pass and rationalize their actions further demonstrates the stupidity in the current "peace process", both in Obama's comments and your defense of them

 

[BT]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/recogn.html

[sirs]

Ummm...Yassar is no more.  1993 is...lemme count...18years ago.  We need a current recognition, since at this point in time, the current state of Fatah & Hamas, the 2 primary entities behind the "Palestinian Government" has said no, to an Israeli state

[Xavier_Onassis]

So the PLO has recognized Israel's right to exist, but it doesn't count for sirs.

[sirs]

The PLO is not Fatah.  The PLO is not Hamas.  Not to mention that the article in question is almost 20years ago. 

[BT]

Ummm...Yassar is no more.  1993 is...lemme count...18years ago.  We need a current recognition, since at this point in time, the current state of Fatah & Hamas, the 2 primary entities behind the "Palestinian Government" has said no, to an Israeli state

Meanwhile the US Constitution is a couple of centuries old and everyone who signed it is dead. Does that make it non valid?

There would be no PA without a PLO. The agreement was not revoked. It is the same framework that Bush through Rice and Obama through Mitchell labored under.

That agreement led to the formation of the Palestinian Authority. The PA has recognized a State of Israel. They haven't recognized a Jewish State of Israel. Their reasoning being that creating a theocracy is counterproductive to democracy where some of the citizens of the State of Israel are not Jewish.

Mahmoud Abbas  also known by the kunya Abu Mazen (Arabic: أَبُو مَازِن‎, ?b? M?zɩn), has been the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) since 11 November 2004 and became President of the Palestinian National Authority on 15 January 2005 on the Fatah (فتح Fataḥ) ticket.

[sirs]

Ummm...Yassar is no more.  1993 is...lemme count...18years ago.  We need a current recognition, since at this point in time, the current state of Fatah & Hamas, the 2 primary entities behind the "Palestinian Government" has said no, to an Israeli state

Meanwhile the US Constitution is a couple of centuries old and everyone who signed it is dead. Does that make it non valid?

It would if the various CURRENT U.S. GOVERNMENT ENTITIES were completely ignoring it, and publically proclaiming just the opposite.  I admire that your found "something" BT, but CURRENT reality is not serving you well, with this approach

As Grandma used to say, "Actions speak louder than words".....written nearly 20years ago

By all means, get back to me when the CURRENT President of the Palestinians PUBLICALLY acknowledges Israel's right to exist, in a 2 party state next to a Palestinian state.  THAT's what you need to provide

ball in your court