Obama throws Israel under the Bus

[BT]

Published:    10.15.10, 19:06 / Israel News

During the meeting, Abbas said that in 1993, following the Oslo accords, the Palestinians recognized the State of Israel. "We want Israel to recognize the state of Palestine within the 1967 borders," the Palestinian leader told the Hadash members.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3969948,00.html

Back at you.

[BT]

Then there is this:

The Arab Peace Plan has received the full support of Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority, which even took the unprecedented step of placing advertisements in Israeli newspapers on November 20, 2008 to promote it.[46] The Palestinian Authority published full-page notices in Hebrew in four major Israeli daily newspapers, which reproduced the text of the Initiative in full and added that "Fifty-seven Arab and Islamic countries will establish diplomatic ties and normal relations with Israel in return for a full peace agreement and an end to the occupation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative#Re-adoption_at_the_2007_Riyadh_Summit

[sirs]

From your own link.....Abbas: We won't recognize Israel as Jewish state

In Ramallah meeting with Hadash party members, Palestinian president calls on Israel to 'recognize state of Palestine within 1967 borders'; says opposed to population exchanges as part of permanent agreement.  Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Friday he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, adding that he was also opposed to population exchanges as part of any permanent peace agreement.

In other words, the notion that Israel is or isn't recognized is based completely on an untenable precondition, that your own link makes clear, and even you don't support

Right back atcha

[BT]

From your own link.....Abbas: We won't recognize Israel as Jewish state

In Ramallah meeting with Hadash party members, Palestinian president calls on Israel to 'recognize state of Palestine within 1967 borders'; says opposed to population exchanges as part of permanent agreement.  Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Friday he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, adding that he was also opposed to population exchanges as part of any permanent peace agreement.

In other words, the notion that Israel is or isn't recognized is based completely on an untenable precondition, that your own link makes clear, and even you don't support

Right back atcha

The challenge was that Palestinian Authorities had not recognized the State of Israel, and the challenge was met. They have, going back to Arafat. Your whole claim was that Israel had recognized a two state solution, one Israeli one Palestinian and that the Palestinians did not reciprocate. The record show different. Now if you can show where the Israelis recognized the Palestinian Authority as an Islamic State you might have a leg to stand on regarding reciprocity.

So alas the ball is in your court once again.

[sirs]

No, the challange was you for you to demonstrate Israel's right to exist by the Palestinians.  That does not require a precondition.  They either do or they don't.  Not only have you demonstrated that CURRENTLY they do NOT, but that the precondition required is a position that even YOU do not support

ergo, your ball

[BT]

No, the challange was you for you to demonstrate Israel's right to exist by the Palestinians. 

Recognition of the State of Israel is de facto recognition of the right to exist. The PA and the PLO has done that.

You are the one insisting on a precondition.

[sirs]

Recognition on a precondition is NOT recognition.  My precondition is NO precondition.  Can't say the same with the Palestinians now, can we

[BT]

Recognition on a precondition is NOT recognition.  My precondition is NO precondition.  Can't say the same with the Palestinians now, can we

Your insistence that Palestine recognize the State of Israel, (which they have done and is no longer in dispute) as a Jewish state is a precondition, especially when the reciprocal of that would be Israel recognizing Palestine as an Islamic state (which they haven't) and the reason they haven't is that would be extremely problematic for all the Israeli settlers in Palestinian Territory if the lines are drawn that way. Same as the case for Israeli Arabs.

[sirs]

Recognition on a precondition is NOT recognition.  My precondition is NO precondition.  Can't say the same with the Palestinians now, can we

Your insistence that Palestine recognize the State of Israel....

... per YOUR LINK, has THEIR requirement that Israel return to 67 borders.  And until that time, they do NOT recognize the state of Israel, next to a Palestinian state.  Not to mention a non-starter to boot...not to mention a position that even YOU do not support

By all means, get back to us when the Palestinians have no such preconditions, and merely support the right of Israel to exist next to a Palestinian state

[BT]

During the meeting, Abbas said that in 1993, following the Oslo accords, the Palestinians recognized the State of Israel. "We want Israel to recognize the state of Palestine within the 1967 borders," the Palestinian leader told the Hadash members.

From my link it appears that Palestine did recognize the State of Israel, without preconditions.

Their wish for Israel to reciprocate recognition to the pre-67 borders had no bearing on their own recognition of Israel. You notice they did not say and if Israel does not recognize us with the pre-67 borders we rescind our recognition of Israel's nationhood.

[sirs]

Then you weren't paying attention to your own article....which is funny, since it was right at the top, and not somewhere in small print, in the middle.  Lemme repost it for yas

Abbas: We won't recognize Israel as Jewish state

In Ramallah meeting with Hadash party members, Palestinian president calls on Israel to 'recognize state of Palestine within 1967 borders'; says opposed to population exchanges as part of permanent agreement.  Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Friday he would not recognize Israel as a Jewish state, adding that he was also opposed to population exchanges as part of any permanent peace agreement.

[BT]

Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State is far different than recognizing the State of Israel.

Palestine has recognized the State of Israel, has since 93.

[Xavier_Onassis]

To recognize Israel as a country is one thing.

To recognize it as a state that gives extremely preferential treatment to Jews (or people who only claim to be Jews) is an entirely different thing.

To recognize that Alabama is one of the 50 states is a fairly easy thing to do.
To recognize Alabama as a state that has the right to discriminate based on race is something very different.

[sirs]

Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State is far different than recognizing the State of Israel.

Palestine has recognized the State of Israel, has since 93.

AND CURRENTLY (read, not 1993), neither Hamas, Fatah, OR the President of the Palestinians recognize the state of Israel to exist next to a state of Palestine.......UNLESS (ahhh, those dastardly preconditions, yet again).  And note, there is no "Palestine" from whence they recognize Israel.  There are merely Palestinian refugees

[BT]

Recognizing Israel as a Jewish State is far different than recognizing the State of Israel.

Palestine has recognized the State of Israel, has since 93.

AND CURRENTLY (read, not 1993), neither Hamas, Fatah, OR the President of the Palestinians recognize the state of Israel to exist next to a state of Palestine.......UNLESS (ahhh, those dastardly preconditions, yet again).  And note, there is no "Palestine" from whence they recognize Israel.  There are merely Palestinian refugees

Perhaps you can point out where they rescinded that recognition. Who will they negotiate with if there is no Israel?