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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #495 on: June 12, 2011, 10:26:24 PM »
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- they weren't connected by a border

Don't tell Sarah Palin that.

BTW could you remind me again when it was that Israel recognized a Palestinian State? Not when they acknowledged that the PLO would be the responsible representative of the Palestinian Peoples but when they recognized the existence of a Palestinian State?


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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #496 on: June 12, 2011, 10:35:51 PM »
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- they weren't connected by a border

Don't tell Sarah Palin that.

Seeing and connecting are 2 different things.  But nice to see how quick you are to jump on the bashing Palin bandwagon


BTW could you remind me again when it was that Israel recognized a Palestinian State?

I've googled more than dozens of references where Israel was acknowledging the that of a Palestinian state, existing right next to an Isreali one.  Are you wising me to post a bunch of them where Bibi alone makes that reference??  Really? 

Or are you about to pull another semantic game, since currently there is no "Palestinian state" to be recognized


Negotiations don't have to be even, but both sides should have something to offer, elese
"negotiation" is the wrong word to use.

What do Palestinians have to offer?


Peace

And yet you've already convinced me there can be none.  How do you settle that bit of disconnect?
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #497 on: June 12, 2011, 10:44:00 PM »
Negotiations don't have to be even, but both sides should have something to offer, elese
"negotiation" is the wrong word to use.

What do Palestinians have to offer?

Peace
  I don't beleive that they have this to offer.

If by "peace" you mean that the Palestinians will behave peacefully, the Syrians will not attack , that Lebanon will not harbor rocketeers, that Gazans will capture and prevent misseleers etc...

I don't think they have this to offer.

Take just one of these possibilitys , do the Palestinians civil authority controll the suicide bombers?  They don't or can't admit they do .

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #498 on: June 12, 2011, 10:55:19 PM »
Negotiations don't have to be even, but both sides should have something to offer, elese
"negotiation" is the wrong word to use.

What do Palestinians have to offer?

Peace
  I don't beleive that they have this to offer.

If by "peace" you mean that the Palestinians will behave peacefully, the Syrians will not attack , that Lebanon will not harbor rocketeers, that Gazans will capture and prevent misseleers etc...

I don't think they have this to offer.

Take just one of these possibilitys , do the Palestinians civil authority controll the suicide bombers?  They don't or can't admit they do .

I think that Palestine should be able to control the Palestinians about as much as the US Law enforcement groups can control US citizenry. I don't think they can control what goes on in Lebanon or Syria.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #499 on: June 12, 2011, 10:59:47 PM »
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Seeing and connecting are 2 different things.  But nice to see how quick you are to jump on the bashing Palin bandwagon

The fact remains that the US and Russia do share a border. And i don't see how you get that i was bashing Palin.



Post what you have re: Israel recognizing an existing Palestinian State.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #500 on: June 12, 2011, 11:02:50 PM »
Negotiations don't have to be even, but both sides should have something to offer, elese
"negotiation" is the wrong word to use.

What do Palestinians have to offer?

Peace
  I don't beleive that they have this to offer.

If by "peace" you mean that the Palestinians will behave peacefully, the Syrians will not attack , that Lebanon will not harbor rocketeers, that Gazans will capture and prevent misseleers etc...

I don't think they have this to offer.

Take just one of these possibilitys , do the Palestinians civil authority controll the suicide bombers?  They don't or can't admit they do .

I think that Palestine should be able to control the Palestinians about as much as the US Law enforcement groups can control US citizenry. I don't think they can control what goes on in Lebanon or Syria.

So all they have to offer is to lock up their own heros?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #501 on: June 12, 2011, 11:15:42 PM »
Compare what should happen in Paslisrael with what has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 25 years or so.

It is hardly impossible.
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #502 on: June 12, 2011, 11:18:10 PM »
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So all they have to offer is to lock up their own heros?

I wouldn't be surprised if amnesty was involved once the need for "heroes" was alleviated.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #503 on: June 12, 2011, 11:19:35 PM »
Compare what should happen in Paslisrael with what has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 25 years or so.

It is hardly impossible.

What has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 400 years you mean.

This kind of trouble can be very persistant.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #504 on: June 12, 2011, 11:24:32 PM »
Compare what should happen in Paslisrael with what has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 25 years or so.

It is hardly impossible.

What has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 400 years you mean.

This kind of trouble can be very persistant.

Perhaps the belligerents haven't been properly incentivized. Thus my Nuclear carrot/stick.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #505 on: June 12, 2011, 11:26:34 PM »
Compare what should happen in Paslisrael with what has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 25 years or so.

It is hardly impossible.

What has happened in Northern Ireland in the last 400 years you mean.

This kind of trouble can be very persistant.

Perhaps the belligerents haven't been properly incentivized. Thus my Nuclear carrot/stick.
What was the carrot?

Is a fatal one time only stick really credable?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #506 on: June 12, 2011, 11:29:21 PM »
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Is a fatal one time only stick really credable?

Condom sales are certainly up.

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #507 on: June 13, 2011, 12:11:52 AM »
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Is a fatal one time only stick really credable?

Condom sales are certainly up.

In Palistine?

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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #508 on: June 13, 2011, 12:45:03 AM »
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Seeing and connecting are 2 different things.  But nice to see how quick you are to jump on the bashing Palin bandwagon

The fact remains that the US and Russia do share a border. And i don't see how you get that i was bashing Palin.

LOL....the "border" is in the ocean.  I think it was pretty transparent that I was referencing land borders.  And the bashing was in how Palin was ridiculed for "seeing" Russia from Alaska, and there you were joking about it, how we should't tell Palin about them not being connected


Post what you have re: Israel recognizing an existing Palestinian State.

Are you going to play the semantic game about a literal "Palestinian state"??  Because that's not what I've been referencing at all, nor does one currently exist.  It's been in referencing Israel's acceptance of having a Palestinian state next to an Israeli state.  You want a plethora of THOSE links??
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Re: Obama throws Israel under the Bus
« Reply #509 on: June 13, 2011, 01:30:46 AM »
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Is a fatal one time only stick really credable?

Condom sales are certainly up.

In Palistine?

Mostly in places where not using one could be fatal, eventually.