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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2011, 06:42:37 PM »
For one libertarians believe in property rights and anarchists don't.

Libertarians don't necessarily have problems with police or the courts that protect individual rights.

Anarchists do.

What came first the Atheist or the Anarchist?

Everyone in the world for all of humanity's existence is and was born both an atheist and an anarchist.

When born without help a baby will surely die. After being born and raised by its parents a child becomes what he becomes, not necessarily an Atheist or Anarchist but either good or evil.

Some people proudly crap on a police car, grinning, whilst flashing the peace sign, other people choose a different path in life. A more positive and happy path. I think Anarchists are a combination of angry, lazy, confused, and misguided people that pretty much think about nobody but themselves. They either grow up and change for the better or end up dying unhappy, lonely, divorced, and eventually their children turn away from them because they want happiness or worse they become just as unhappy and dysfunctional as their parents, thus, the cycle keeps repeating itself.

Instead of blaming everybody for your problems Anarchists need to look no further than themselves. That is the one narcissistic thing they do is NOT blame themselves for their poor situation, yet again that's narcissistic after all.

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2011, 06:47:24 PM »
A baby is easily brainwashed when young. Belief or nonbelief in a deity is unrelated to the existence of same.
Belief in a deity is unrelated to good and bad.

I see no reason to crap on a cop car. That one looks particularly uncomfortable as a crapper.
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2011, 06:47:36 PM »
http://www.lp.org/platform
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As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

In the following pages we have set forth our basic principles and enumerated various policy stands derived from those principles.

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http://anarchism.net/  This one is precious!
Lets get it together Anarchists!
Anarchists shouldn't be so hard to unite and so easy to divide.
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.....anarchism is used in a number of ways--by people who want to abolish the government, abolish capitalism, abolish violence, abolish technology, abolish large-scale production, or abolish society. But what does anarchism mean?
   The new Anarchism.net tries to answer this question. The new site is what the name says--an anarchisms’ network, a network of, for, and by anarchisms. The organizers of the site of course believe in a certain kind of anarchism, but it is our hope and goal to provide a basis for discussion. All anarchists are welcome!
   This new site will cover different views on anarchism and the abolishment of the state, and try to put them together. As the ideological concept of “anarchism” and the name of this site shows, we are building an all-anarchist network of radical ideas of freedom and liberty.
   It is true that there are many different kinds of anarchism which cannot go well together--collectivist and individualist, socialist and capitalist, pacifist and revolutionist etc. But they all provide the anarchist movement with important and powerful insights and arguments for abolishing the state!

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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2011, 06:49:45 PM »
I haven't posted anything about it because i am waiting for them to reach consensus. I do know they treated Congressman John Lewis rudely.

I also know this is not a spontaneous action. Did you know that the park across from Wall Street that is ground zero for the Owwies is chairman of the board for a corporation that received energy grants for windmill farms two days after the holding company bought the parkland.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2011, 06:52:45 PM »
I haven't posted anything about it because i am waiting for them to reach consensus.


  How long are you willing to wait?

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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2011, 06:59:05 PM »
For one libertarians believe in property rights and anarchists don't.

Libertarians don't necessarily have problems with police or the courts that protect individual rights.

Anarchists do.

What came first the Atheist or the Anarchist?

I don't see where an anarchist could not be a person of faith. They may not attend a church, because they have a problem with authoritarian structures,  but that is not the same as not believing.

I agree. It takes a certain amount of faith to believe in man made global warming. Faith is one thing, Christianity is another. A fully Christian person, following the Bible, would not be an Anarchist because it would go against the teaching of the Bible. A person of faith, on the other hand, could surely be an Anarchist. Just look no further than Obama and William Ayers.

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2011, 07:44:34 PM »
A fully Christian person, following the Bible, would not be an Anarchist because it would go against the teaching of the Bible.

What part of the Bible mandates the support of a government?
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2011, 07:51:55 PM »
I haven't posted anything about it because i am waiting for them to reach consensus.


  How long are you willing to wait?

As long as it takes. How long will they try to reach consensus as the weather turns colder?

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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2011, 08:27:01 PM »
A fully Christian person, following the Bible, would not be an Anarchist because it would go against the teaching of the Bible.

What part of the Bible mandates the support of a government?

I doubt any, so what does the have to do with the the subject matter anyway?

I don't think the Bible says go out an buy a Prius either. There is nothing specific in the Bible that says not to crap on police cars either but I doubt the Bible would say it's the right thing to do either.

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2011, 11:01:54 PM »
<<What part of the Bible mandates the support of a government?>>

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's . . .

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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2011, 11:12:55 PM »
<<What part of the Bible mandates the support of a government?>>

Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's . . .

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2011, 11:42:25 PM »
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's . . .

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This simply meant "I am not in rebellion against the Romans." That which is Caesars would be the Roman coinage, that bore Caesar's face on it. The graven image of a man who claimed to be a god.

It was simply another way of saying "my kingdom is not of this world."

Jesus had no opinion about crapping on police cars, but I am pretty sure he would have opposed public crapping as a non kosher act.
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2011, 01:36:47 AM »
I thought it meant "Pay your taxes," which effectively meant to support "your" government, i.e., the Roman Empire.

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2011, 02:07:33 AM »
It meant that Jesus was not going to be tricked into being labeled by the Romans as a rebel.

In the Temple, Roman money was profane, since it had the face of Caesar, who claimed to be a god, on it.

Original pre-Roman money was used in the temple. Money changers exchanged it outside the Temple. The rate of exchange seems to have ticked Jesus off and he threw a fit.So he was not against showing disapproval of at least some of his fellow Jews.
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2011, 11:06:25 AM »
<<So he was not against showing disapproval of at least some of his fellow Jews.>>

That's OK, it's in the best Jewish prophetic tradition.  That's what a jeremiad is all about.  One thing the Jews are not afraid of is self-criticism.  We really need it because at bottom we're nothing but a bunch of hook-nosed, low-down, no-good speculators and money-changers.  Fuckin' Jesus, man, he had our number.