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Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« on: October 20, 2011, 06:49:49 PM »
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/10/cardoza-to-anno.php

Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Calif., announced his retirement from Congress this afternoon -- and he issued a scathing parting shot at President Obama's track record on his way out.

In a statement explaining his decision, Cardoza, a leader of the centrist Blue Dog Coalition, said he was "dismayed" by the administration's "failure to understand and effectively address the current housing foreclosure crisis."

"Home foreclosures are destroying communities and crushing our economy, and the Administration's inaction is infuriating," Cardoza said.

A former chairman of the moderate Blue Dog Caucus, Cardoza also bemoaned the increasing partisanship in Washington, and blamed the media for fueling the ideological divide in the country, not giving enough attention to moderates.

(RELATED: Who else is leaving Congress?)

Cardoza is the sixth member -- all Democrats -- to announce plans to retire outright so far. He's also the third member of the Blue Dog Caucus to head for the exits -- joining fellow moderate Reps. Dan Boren, D-Okla., and Mike Ross, D-Ark.

The five-term congressman had become an increasingly-vocal critic of his own party's leadership in recent months, fueled by the skyrocketing unemployment in his Central Valley district. He's previously criticized the administration on its handling of the foreclosure crisis - but it's rare to see a departing congressman blast the president in an official statement.

Given his growing dissatisfaction with his party, Cardoza's departure didn't come as a surprise to Democrats, but his sharp criticism of Obama is bound to sting at the White House, which has already seeing many members of his own party, particularly those in battleground states and districts, keeping their distance.

Cardoza was also a thorn in the side of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.. Despite his previous posts in leadership (he was a DCCC co-chair in 2010), the two at times clashed, including during the negotiations over the health care law. He voted against Pelosi for Democratic leader earlier this year, supporting his more-moderate home-state colleague Rep. Jim Costa instead. In the fight for majority leader in 2007, Costa publicly backed Rep. Steny Hoyer over Pelosi.

Nonetheless, the National Republican Congressional Committee had already targeted Cardoza in an ad campaign last month, and immediately seized on Cardoza's retirement as more evidence of a worsening political environment for Democratic moderates.

"After years of being one of Pelosi's top lieutenants, Dennis Cardoza has realized it will be impossible to continue to fool voters about his self-proclaimed Blue Dog label as the political environment worsens for Democrats between now and Election Day," said NRCC spokeswoman Joanna Burgos.

Redistricting also played a major role in his decision. Under the new map, Cardoza was facing the unpalatable option of challenging Costa in a Democratic primary, or running in the more-Republican 21st District where Democrats already landed a strong recruit in state senator Michael Rubio.

Cardoza's lackluster fundraising this past quarter had also raised retirement speculation; he raised just $23,000 during the past three months.

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2011, 07:04:04 PM »
Yes.........and no.  IMHO, you're seeing these Dems, who ran as moderates, in regions that supported the idea of compromise, looking at the big picture and seeing the onslaught in both a defeat of Democrats and in worsening polarization, as they realize just how more apoplectic the left will become, as a result

Which could lead to a greater GOP majority, but what's left of the Democrats will be hard core liberal/socialist

Just my $.02
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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2011, 07:13:37 PM »
<<A former chairman of the moderate Blue Dog Caucus, Cardoza also bemoaned the increasing partisanship in Washington, and blamed the media for fueling the ideological divide in the country, not giving enough attention to moderates.>>

Moderates.  It was Obama's desire to reach out to moderates that cost him the public option in his health care plan.  That got Elizabeth Warren thrown under the bus.  That killed Obama's chance to fight for financial reform and go down in flames, and then purge the Blue Dogs from the Party, which would have positioned him and the Democrats left (or left Democrats, I guess) to run against the GOP by painting them as the Party of Wall Street and swept out BOTH the GOP and the Blue Dogs in 2012.

Fuck the moderates.

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2011, 07:44:48 PM »
  Why are all moderates Democrats?

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2011, 07:48:49 PM »
They aren't.

Look at John McCain and Lindsey Graham or Olympia Snowe and the other one from up north.


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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 08:36:46 PM »
John McCain is moderate?

This might have something to do with loosing to a far left fielder.

MT might be right about moderates, when they get gone Congress can be much more interesting.

  Nice that extremeism is coming into vogue at the same time as a conservative upswing , it is like a triple up biorythym.


http://www.thefutureminders.com/biorhythms_free/Biorhythm_Charts.cfm

http://www.skepdic.com/biorhyth.html



Of course we have had a moderate free congress a cupple of times before.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm
http://www.charlestonguidebook.com/features/prelude-to-disaster/
http://history1800s.about.com/od/abolitionmovement/a/sumnerbeaten.htm

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 08:50:27 PM »
Oh yeah i forgot Scott Brown and the other Maine Sister is Susan Collins.

But i guess all depends on the definition of moderate.


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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 09:05:18 PM »
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  Are they trying to occupy these positions , or is there some effort to get to the center?

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 09:08:21 PM »
The extremes get you nowhere. Cuba, failed. The Soviet Union, failed.  China before it adopted a free market economy, getting nowhere fast. North Korea, failed. Nazi Germany, failed. Fascist Italy, failed. Nations governed, ostensibly, by Islamic law, crumbling towards failure.

The problem with congress right now is its inability to find meaningful compromise, not its lack of extremes. In fact it is the extremes that have rendered it a failure. The question is can it overcome this failure or do we need to adopt a system like the Brits perhaps?



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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 09:13:04 PM »
The extremes get you nowhere. Cuba, failed. The Soviet Union, failed.  China before it adopted a free market economy, getting nowhere fast. North Korea, failed. Nazi Germany, failed. Fascist Italy, failed. Nations governed, ostensibly, by Islamic law, crumbling towards failure.

The problem with congress right now is its inability to find meaningful compromise, not its lack of extremes. In fact it is the extremes that have rendered it a failure. The question is can it overcome this failure or do we need to adopt a system like the Brits perhaps?



BSB

Actually a leader makes all the difference in the world. Too bad you voted for Obama because he isn't a leader. He lacks every single quality that a leader should possess. You of all people should have been able to recognize that fact. But then again you voted for Obama only to piss off racists not to elect a responsible leader that had the abilities to move our nation in the right direction.

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2011, 09:26:36 PM »
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  Are they trying to occupy these positions , or is there some effort to get to the center?

I have no idea where they would position themselves. This is just a rough estimate as to where i would put them.

And it really depends on the definitions of moderate and conservative. for example if the role of government is the decision point:

 
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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2011, 09:31:35 PM »
Center                                                                                 Right
Romney Huntsman Paul Gingrich Cain Perry Santorum Bachmann

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  Are they trying to occupy these positions , or is there some effort to get to the center?

I have no idea where they would position themselves. This is just a rough estimate as to where i would put them.

And it really depends on the definitions of moderate and conservative. for example if the role of government is the decision point:

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if that is correct then either Cain or Newt will be the next president.

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 10:29:24 PM »
Why are all moderates Democrats?

I never said they were.  But it was the Democratic moderates that prevented  Obama from forcing through a health-care reform with a public option after ALL the GOP "moderates"  (and IIRC, there were only two or three of them) baled on him. 

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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 10:33:30 PM »
It isn't correct. Neither will get the nomination, becaus
e personalities count for more than some abstract nonsense about who is right, center or left.

Gingrich is a hated smartaleck, Cain is a blowhard crackpot.

Watch them lose.
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Re: Here's a bad omen for the Dem Party
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 10:38:08 PM »
It isn't correct. Neither will get the nomination, becaus
e personalities count for more than some abstract nonsense about who is right, center or left.

Gingrich is a hated smartaleck, Cain is a blowhard crackpot.

Watch them lose.

I'll take my chances with either of them.