Cain on Foreign Policy

[sirs]

Bingo

[BSB]

Back to main issue of the thread. Cain admitted he miss-spoke on China's nuclear capabilities. He said he meant to say that China had less nuclear capability than the United States, not that they didn't have any.


BSB

P.S. New voting law: pets, such as dogs, cats, monkeys, parrots, etc., will no longer be allowed to vote in presidential races.

Well, I guess that about ends Cain's chances.

[sirs]

Yea, because that "obviously" explains the increase in both donations & his poll #'s

[BT]

Back to main issue of the thread. Cain admitted he miss-spoke on China's nuclear capabilities. He said he meant to say that China had less nuclear capability than the United States, not that they didn't have any.

Gee that changes the narrative from didn't know china had nukes to his intent in using the word developing.

Glad he had a chance to set the record straight for those who jumped on the Cain is a dumbass bandwagon.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Glad he had a chance to set the record straight for those who jumped on the Cain is a dumbass bandwagon.

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There are still a lot of people on the "Cain says dumbass things" bandwagon, however.

[Kramer]

Back to main issue of the thread. Cain admitted he miss-spoke on China's nuclear capabilities. He said he meant to say that China had less nuclear capability than the United States, not that they didn't have any.


BSB

P.S. New voting law: pets, such as dogs, cats, monkeys, parrots, etc., will no longer be allowed to vote in presidential races.

Well, I guess that about ends Cain's chances.

Despite all that still you admitted to voting for Obama. Were you wearing a monkey costume at the time?

[sirs]

Glad he had a chance to set the record straight for those who jumped on the Cain is a dumbass bandwagon.

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There are still a lot of people on the "Cain says dumbass things" bandwagon, however.

Well, considering so many facts to the contrary, not to mention that anyone at anytime can say a "dumbass thing" (excuse me...57 states Mr. President??),  I think we can chalk that up to the Elvis Factor

[Kramer]

Glad he had a chance to set the record straight for those who jumped on the Cain is a dumbass bandwagon.

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There are still a lot of people on the "Cain says dumbass things" bandwagon, however.

Well, considering so many facts to the contrary, I think we can chalk that up to the Elvis Factor

I wonder if he will say there are 57 states like Obama.

[sirs]

    Like I just referenced?

[BT]

Glad he had a chance to set the record straight for those who jumped on the Cain is a dumbass bandwagon.

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There are still a lot of people on the "Cain says dumbass things" bandwagon, however.

Probably the ones who also call him an Uncle Tom. or some other code word.

[Michael Tee]

$80K is certainly not a trivial sum to pay and the argument that it's cheaper than discovery is ludicrous in view of the fact that there were already extensive investigation results in hand before a lawsuit had even been started.  It's very unlikely that discovery costs would be anywhere near the sums mentioned by Ami if the company had already investigated all the participants and maintained records of the investigation as they certainly would have done.

If it were as easy to collect $80K as some of our posters suggest, it would be impossible to conduct business using female employees.  In many cases, women won't even come forward with complaints of sexual harrassment, because they know it's a possible career-killer.  Women generally won't come forward without a strong case and no lawyer would take a weak harrassment case on spec - - the fact that the women were represented by counsel is in itself some indication that counsel believed in the strength of their cases, and the payment confirms that belief.

What's hilarious is in watching the conservatives try to wriggle desperately off the inescapable conclusions that at least two solidly-based claims of sexual harrassment were not only launched against this perverted creep, but that they were settled on a non-nuisance basis as well.  No, he's not a rapist or a thug, but he's still a creep and a perv.  This guy is far from an innocent victim as he pretends to be.  Of course, the other indication of conservatives' total divorce from the real world is their apparent inability to recognize the significance of Mr. Creepy's attempts to wriggle himself off the hook:  "Settlement?  NEVER.  Oh . . . Agreement? Yeah, of course, there may have been some agreement."  LMFAO.  Come  on, guys.  You're giving new meaning to the words "willful blindness."

[BT]

$80K is certainly not a trivial sum to pay and the argument that it's cheaper than discovery is ludicrous in view of the fact that there were already extensive investigation results in hand before a lawsuit had even been started.  It's very unlikely that discovery costs would be anywhere near the sums mentioned by Ami if the company had already investigated all the participants and maintained records of the investigation as they certainly would have done.

If it were as easy to collect $80K as some of our posters suggest, it would be impossible to conduct business using female employees.  In many cases, women won't even come forward with complaints of sexual harrassment, because they know it's a possible career-killer.  Women generally won't come forward without a strong case and no lawyer would take a weak harrassment case on spec - - the fact that the women were represented by counsel is in itself some indication that counsel believed in the strength of their cases, and the payment confirms that belief.

What's hilarious is in watching the conservatives try to wriggle desperately off the inescapable conclusions that at least two solidly-based claims of sexual harrassment were not only launched against this perverted creep, but that they were settled on a non-nuisance basis as well.  No, he's not a rapist or a thug, but he's still a creep and a perv.  This guy is far from an innocent victim as he pretends to be.  Of course, the other indication of conservatives' total divorce from the real world is their apparent inability to recognize the significance of Mr. Creepy's attempts to wriggle himself off the hook:  "Settlement?  NEVER.  Oh . . . Agreement? Yeah, of course, there may have been some agreement."  LMFAO.  Come  on, guys.  You're giving new meaning to the words "willful blindness."

You probably missed the complainants attorney's little live show and tell on CNN minutes ago.

She chooses not to relive the moment.

She filed the complaint, very probably after Cain was gone, according to the attorneys best recollect. What they have is her statement and the settlement paperwork. No discovery, no depositions, no proof or any third parties as witnesses.

oo oo take the money and run

[sirs]

Ouch....damn them pesky facts

[Kramer]

Ouch....damn them pesky facts

Aren't these people the same ones that were OK with Clinton committing perjury? But now they are bothered by non story about Cain. The next thing to come out will be allegations that one of Cain's pubic hairs were on the top of a can of coke. Maybe one of the 3 bitches are named Anita.

[Michael Tee]

What "pesky facts" would those be, I wonder?

That a woman happily married for 26 years doesn't see any advantage to her now to come forward on a 12-year-old incident so that she can be targeted and smeared like Anita Hill?  Gee, and here I thought everyone wanted to come into the limelight so they could be attacked as a lying, money-hungry whore by a bunch of right-wing media people.  What is she, crazy?

I'm not aware that the woman's reluctance to step forward into another Anita Hill media circus alters even ONE of the "pesky facts" that I have already raised.  She and another woman EACH filed separate complaints of sexual harrassment, shared a total award of about 80K which is FAR from a "nuisance value" settlement, as Cain very well knew when he tried to lie his way out of this with an ever-changing story.

That she and the other victim don't want to step forward into a media circus NOW, 12 years after the event, when they've already received damages appropriate to the harrassment sustained and there's absolutely nothing in it for them, is a very understandable reaction that anyone but a right-wing nut could understand and appreciate.  That it somehow invalidates the charges and the settlement already made, that it somehow wipes those facts clear off the pages of history, is something that only a totally delusional right-wing fanatic, living on some other planet, could be expected to believe.

Yeah, sirs, I expect them "pesky facts" will be around for a long, long time, but I don't expect delusional true believers like yourself to ever appreciate their real significance.