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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2012, 04:14:01 PM »
There are economic advantages to both statehood and commonwealth status. They do not benefit the same people.

It is up to the Puerto Ricans to decide which they want, and up to Congress to accept or deny entry into the Union to Puerto Rico. That seems fair to me. It is somewhat ironic that the Republican-affiliated party wants statehood, while the National Republican Party probably opposes it, not because of fairness,but because it would make the slide toward the extinction of the GOP that more rapid.

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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2012, 04:19:17 PM »
According to the GOP platform for 2012 they support Puerto Rican statehood.

We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state if they freely so determine. We recognize that Congress has the final authority to define the constitutionally valid options for Puerto Rico to achieve a permanent non-territorial status with government by consent and full enfranchisement. As long as Puerto Rico is not a State, however, the will of its people regarding their political status should be ascertained by means of a general right of referendum or specific referenda sponsored by the U.S. government.


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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2012, 04:35:06 PM »
Hey...I got the perfect solution!

how 'bout we let Puerto Rico in and let Texas out?

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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2012, 04:44:39 PM »
We're back to 'We got ours...'

Ya know, it gets a tad irritating for the ongoing effort of trying to be made to feel guilty for being born in this country.  Yes, I am absolutely thankful for being born in this country, and getting all the "automatic perks" that go along with it.  And I feel bad for those who weren't born in this country, and don't.  Communist, Fascist, and Socialist countries come to mind

I thank God I live in a country with some of the most charitable folks on the globe
I thank God that we have mechanisms for people to come here and be an intimate part of all those perks

So, no, I'm not going to be made to feel guilty for being born here and "getting ours".  There are folks born in some of the worst situations, all across the globe.  I feel bad for them.  I wish I had the resources of a Mitt Romney, who could donate millions in charitable causes.  As it is, I have just enough for me and my family, with a paltry left over to help towards Cancer & ALS research.

So, I got mine, by virtue of being born here.  Thankfully we have mechanisms for those who weren't, to come and "get theirs".  And for those in PR, made all the easier, since they can bypass all the immigration hurdles, to come and "get theirs" as well.  We welcome each and everyone one who wants to
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2012, 04:56:12 PM »
I really doubt that a majority of Texans want to leave the USA.

The Republic of Texas was broke during its entire life,and every year it got worse.

I would have no objections myself, but secession has been found to be impossible.
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2012, 05:29:21 PM »
The Republic of Texas was broke during its entire life,and every year it got worse.

was it ever borrowing/printing trillions to stay afloat?
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2012, 05:32:31 PM »
secession has been found to be impossible.

many current day nations broke off from some other entity
secession will happen here too
the SantaCrats dont have the guts for 500K dead
it would be nothing like 1861
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2012, 09:19:12 PM »
was it ever borrowing/printing trillions to stay afloat?

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There was no one willing to lend money to Texas.

I think the X I T Ranch near Tascosa  was purchased by ten Englishmen from Texas (hence the name Ten In Texas), but that must have been after statehood, because before 1845 the area was controlled by Comanches.

Texas isn't about to secede, that is insane.
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2012, 11:20:18 PM »
There was no one willing to lend money to Texas.
Texas will do just fine on it's own.

I think the X I T Ranch near Tascosa  was purchased by ten Englishmen from Texas (hence the name Ten In Texas), but that must have been after statehood, because before 1845 the area was controlled by Comanches.
Interesting....I need to get a book about the XIT.
I have spent some time in Dalhart which seems to name things after the XIT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XIT_Ranch

Texas isn't about to secede
who said it was "about to"?
it will....but it'll be down the road a bit
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2012, 12:25:20 AM »
I can't imagine what it must be like to live in such a paranoid state...everything is some sort of nefarious plot...everyone is out to get your money and undermine your way of life...look out, the lizard men are out to rule the world...or is it the Freemasons?

Is there any particular way that the Lizard Men , are better than the Democrats?
Why don't we ever hear about the Lizard women? is there a reptillian gender gap?

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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2012, 12:40:02 AM »
We wanted Puerto Rico when we defeated Spain and took it.

It would have been strange to kill so many Spanish soldiers and sailors , then allow them to keep a foothold in the Caribbian.

This is responsibility, not just legacy.

Puerto Rico became what it is while being administered by U.S. appointed governments.

They have been offered Statehood every few years and have untill now declined, are they finally won over?

If they are to be refused , it has to be for better reason than that it would benefit one political party more than another.


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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2012, 02:53:34 PM »
The US did not take PR for any reason other than colonialism. Cuba was the justification of the war with Spain, because of Cubans being repressed in a struggle for independence. Puerto Ricans had no major rebellion.

I am all for Puerto Ricans deciding what their status should be. I agree that it should not be because of politics, but it will be, no matter what I believe.

If PR were still a part of Spain, they might be better off than they are now. Martinique, Guadaloupe and half of Saint Martin are certainly better off than Haiti.

There are no Lizard men, but on the show "V" there were clearly Lizard women as well.

Normally, just as when we say "all men are equal", both genders are included. When we say "Lizard men", we refer to all of Lizardkind, including Lizard women. I suppose that it would be unwise to assume that the sexes of an alien race of Lizard people from Outer Space would necessarily include the same percentage of males as females.


Or we would, if there were intelligent Lizard people from outer space planning a takeover of Earth.
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Re: Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2012, 09:02:40 PM »
Ok , I also favor self determination for P.R.

And I still don't know why Lizard Men and Lizard  Women are better than Democrats.