What Obama Said About Taking Vacations in 2008!

[Xavier_Onassis]

The majority were indoctrinated by propaganda and lies. The war was unnecessary and a terrible idea.
The majority once thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth and that mental illness was caused by demons.

[sirs]

...and once again, your opinion, including the uncredible claim of some mass amount of propoganda employed that turned so many into supporters of the war, is duly noted.  Just as uncredible as your claim of some ongoing pattern of rejection of proof I've employed.  I thank you for your contribution   

[Xavier_Onassis]

The only proof you have offered is that you are a jive turkey of limited reasoning ability.

[sirs]

Your opinion on this matter has been weighed, and found wanting.  Thank you for playing...if that's what you can all it

[Plane]

   If Saddam had not been attacked by the US and coalition, was there hope that there would be peace?

[sirs]

Umm....no.

[Plane]

    If the Saddam regime had been attacked on a monthly or weekly basis with pin point attacks strictly ,(as Clinton was wont to do) would this have led to peace eventually?

[sirs]

Alas.....no.  But here's a follow-up question....what are your parameters for peace?  This kinda gets to the heart of the differing positions folks like myself have, compared to folks like xo.  How does one define peace and how does one define "right thing to do"

[Plane]

There was never a good war, or a bad peace.

Benjamin Franklin


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[Xavier_Onassis]

There was peace, and then Cheney and Bush decided there should be war and together with Tenet they made up a bunch of crap and you swallowed it whole. Uranium from AFRICA! Mushroom CLOUDS! Panic! panic! panic!

You can't even admit that you were stuffed full of crap. You are still full of crap.

[sirs]

There was peace, and then Cheney and Bush decided there should be war and together with Tenet they made up a bunch of crap and you swallowed it whole. Uranium from AFRICA! Mushroom CLOUDS! Panic! panic! panic!

Problem with that theory is that there WAS Uranium in Africa, there WAS the threat of Iraq manufacturing an atomic weapon that he could put in a scud and decimate Israel, or some other western leaning Arab country nearby, and the topper that it wasn't just the CIA giving us this information.  It was the global community including the intel agencies from the UN, France, & Germany.  Now, they concluded that the threat wasn't enough for them to want to do much about it, but the point of this is that in order for the "propaganda theory" to hold any water, Bush had to have been in cahoots with all these other countries and their leaders.  Good luck trying to prove that one.....or should I say....panic!..deflect!..panic!

[sirs]

There was never a good war, or a bad peace.

Benjamin Franklin

Once again, we're in need of parameters.  An oppressive dictatorship can generate a very bad peace.  Without WWII, we may all be speaking German or Japanese, so indeed, that was a good war, in that it had to be fought.  So it depends on how a person defines Peace

[Xavier_Onassis]

Germany with its allies Japan and Italy were a threat to the US,

Iraq was a puny country with a small population and certainly less a threat than North Korea (that I observe we have technically been at war with since 1950). Invading Iraq  was unjustified, the WMD's were fictitious, and Cheney lied like Hell and is STILL lying like Hell.

I really doubt that we would be speaking German or Japanese, even if  they had won WWII, but WWII posed a threat to the US and Iraq did not.

The first time we attacked Iraq it was supposed to be the "Mother of all Wars". It was anything but. The second time, Iraq was far worse off, and yet Condi claimed they would nuke us, others said they would infect us with weaponized smallpox, anthrax and cholera, and they would gas out troops with mustard gas. It was all pure horseshit. I KNEW it was horseshit, because  I lived in Mexico in the 1960's and the government there was deceitful and far better liars than Cheney, Rummy and Juniorbush.

You are incapable of recognizing horseshit even when buried in it up to the eyebrows.

[sirs]

Iraq was a puny country with a small population and certainly less a threat than North Korea...I really doubt that we would be speaking German or Japanese, even if  they had won WWII, but WWII posed a threat to the US and Iraq did not. 

And as has already been explained to you, the issue has never been about what Iraq could do to the Continental U.S., so you can drop that deflective garbage

Invading Iraq  was unjustified,

That's one opinion.  Many others have seen it differently, and still do, based on the events around that time

the WMD's were fictitious,

No, they weren't.  He had before, he had used them before, and most every intelligence agency on the globe still believed he had them

and Cheney lied like Hell and is STILL lying like Hell.

About what....SPECIFICALLY?  Facts matter here.  If you want your word to mean something, you're gonna have to provide what he's "still lying about", and factually how its a lie (meaning proof that he has said something, that he knew to be false.  That's the definition of a lie......NOT that there was an error in what he and everyone else thought/believed at the time)

[Plane]

There was peace,

No, Saddams troops were conducting the war at a low level and Clinton was responding on about the same level. One or two bombings a month is not Peace. Saddam did not want peace and didn't have to put up with peace if he didn't want any, there was no peace to protect.

... and then Cheney and Bush decided there should be war and together with Tenet they made up a bunch of crap.............................

I don't think so.
This would not explain that the intelligence of Britain or other sorces being in agreement on this subject , there was not full agreement but the preponderance was that Saddam had not changed his habits of the previous three decades.

By the way at one time Saddam had the fouth place largest army in the world , stop calling his country dinky, it was not just large and well funded , he was really busy making it larger and better funded.