More savagery from the IslamoNazis that Obama wont call what they are!

[Christians4LessGvt]

[Xavier_Onassis]

You are not talking at all about war. You are Christians are blathering on endlessly about what to call the so-called Islamic State, and criticizing Obama for not using the exact words that you want to use.

I am all for defeating and abolishing Dash (ISIS, ISL) by any means that does not involve American troops on the ground in any great numbers, because they are a murderous bunch of fanatics. One thing that will NOT defeat them is calling them "Islamofascists" or some other word dreamed up by the Christian rightwingers, because, again, THESE PEOPLE DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH  English is not the mother tongue of most Muslims, and calling them names in English is like calling you an oghrrshdvfo phrrasttick.  Words used by our government, of course, will be translated into Arabic, Pushto, Dari, Bahasa Indonesia Urdu, Berber or some other language. The words RADICAL MUSLIM when translated would probably not be understood as something particularly dreadful, and might be translated as UNALTERED MUSLIM or something like that. Note that Fundamentalist Christians and Primitive Baptists use these terms proudly, even though many other Christians do not.

Barack Obama has a staff of translators who actually know the best way to describe this enemy. You and CU4 have ZERO knowledge of any languages used by Muslims. Using the wrong words in a propaganda war, and that is what is going on now in the press in many languages is like using the wrong tools. You cannot fix a  Rolex with a hammer drill. You cannot bake a pie with a blowtorch.

No one can defeat Dash with words. However, using words in English that will be inaccurately translated into Arabic and other languages used by Muslims could result in these people getting even more recruits.

What I am saying is leave this up to the experts. You are not any sort of expert. You are just a twerp who likes to rank about crap that you do not know diddly about.


Of course, nothing anyone says here is of any importance to anyone fighting in Syria or Iraq.

[sirs]

You are not talking at all about war.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.  NO ITS NOT ABOUT iSLAM IN GENERAL, ITS ABOUT RADICAL ISLAM...AS IN THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE COOPTED THE ISLAMIC RELIGION TO JUSTIFY THEIR BARBARIC ACTS.  ISIS, AlQeada, and all their offshoots are waging a holy war on ....pretty much the rest of the world that doesn't accept their radicalized vision of Islam.  It's war on them, as in on Radical Islam.

So no, I'm not going to allow you to try and argue a point no one is making.  If, as you say, Muslims aren't going to pay attention to this, and that is what we're at war against, why the hell this obsessive, almost vulgar adherence to political correctness, where we can't call this what it is??  It's not about defeating them by calling it what it is, its about simply calling it what it is   

[Xavier_Onassis]

And what is "Islamo Fascist" or whatever your favorite descriptive term is in Arabic?  What are all the definitions of the words used when translated to English?

Discussing linguistics with you is like explaining symphony instruments to a deaf person, or colors to the blind.

Being monolingual and ignorant of the art of translation, you are unaware that SOME THINGS CANNOT BE TRANSLATED.

[sirs]

And what is "Islamo Fascist" or whatever your favorite descriptive term is in Arabic?

Who cares?  You keep saying how it won't matter to them...that they're not going to pay any attention to it.  So, per your parameters, it shouldn't matter.  So, this isn't about linguistics, or even translation, this is about calling the color blue...BLUE. 

[sirs]

While Obama Plays Word Game

[Xavier_Onassis]

Again, you do not understand why President Obama does not parrot the the demands of the morons at Fox "News". Dash (ISL) is not related to the Pakistani Taliban. Calling people names does not change their behavior. The criticism of President Obama for not badmouthing Muslim fanatics as idiots like Hannity and Lintball demand is rooted in their dogwhistle racism.

It would be stupid for our President to speak in such as way as to sound like he had declared war on Islam. Luckily, he is not stupid. Like some I could mention.   

[sirs]

WHICH THE HELL IS IT?  Do they pay attention or do they not??  Do they know the difference between a noun and an adjective, or do they not??

And no, this has nothing to do with Fox, Dr Deflection.  Even DEMOCRATS are criticizing the President for his apparent lack of calling a duck, a duck.  And no, its not about trying to "change their behavior" with calling them what they are either

So no, it has squat to do with declaring war on Islam.  They understand English quite well enough to know that.  Just check out all the terrorist banners that are clearly printed in English for our media to record

[Xavier_Onassis]

Jeezus, you are dumb!

Dash does this stupid stuff to attract  suckers to do their dying for them, and said suckers mostly do not speak Arabic.
I do not believe it is a secret that the Administration dislikes them and wants them to evaporate.

Calling them names is just stupid and because of the difficulties in translation, could easily be used AGAINST the US. Their recruitment is a major part of a propaganda war. The Islamic Caliphate is a sort of Muslim version of the Second Coming of Jesus to them.

The leaders are a bunch of extortionist fanatical scum. But they are seen as messianic by many of those they recruit.

[sirs]

Talk about dumb.   It has squat to do with calling them names, as you've perfected.   It's about calling a duck,  a duck. 

[Xavier_Onassis]

Do you even know the word in Arabic for duck?

This is a stupid argument that serves no purpose. The leaders of dash do not give a shit what the President calls them, the recruits mostly understand no English, and those who hear the translated expression will likely see it as a declaration of war against all of Islam. It is really quite simple, but it seems to be too hard for Obamahating morons to comprehend. And you are among them. You are hopeless. Go fuck a toad.

[sirs]

Do you even know the word in Arabic for duck?

It doesn't matter.  It isn't for Arabic consumption......as YOU keep pointing out.  What's stupid is that not labeling what it is that we're at war with.  We are at war against an ideology, such as fascism.  Not ISIS, not Alqeada, not Boko Haram, and all their radical offshoots, but the ideology they all are using to justify their actions  The sooner that our leader can come to grips with that, that most everyone else has acknowledged, the better are troop morale, and the better we can plan how to deal with it

So, if you actually believe that Muslims, who supposedly wouldn't care or pay attention to what we call it, somehow can't differentiate between a noun & and adjective, when it can clearly be articulated that its specific to a war against those who have radicalized their religion, and not Islam itself, shows you believe Muslims to be pretty inferior, intellectually   

[Christians4LessGvt]

SIRS....it's like we can't call an enemy what they are because the enemy may speak a different language or be from a different culture. A President should not be speaking to the American People about our enemy, he must cater to the enemy's linguistics. They can call Jews "dogs" "animals" "pigs", but heaven forbid if we call the "Islamic State"  Islamic Terrorist!
We must not address them by our language and must cater only to what they understand!  Ha Ha Ha

[sirs]

It's beyond ridiculous, as its both childish, and literally dangerous NOT to call this what it is.  Well, everybody with rational thinking does, but that's not what takes priority at the WH.  Politics does.  And if this President didn't learn anything about political optics, with the latest being how not only did he not attend the Paris Unity March, but not one WH representative, was sent either, speaks volumes, as to where his priorities are......feeding his socialist/liberal base.  Our troops are allowed to wither, with no central plan as to what the hell they're doing.  Pin prick here, pin prick there.  We have enough firepower to decimate much of ISIS' strongholds in Syria, not to mention what we're letting happen all over again in Iraq.  Even Democrats recognize who were at war with, and its not all of Islam, nor would calling it a war on radical Islam, be some supposed declararation of war on Islam.  Of course that won't stop the propagandists from trying to make that case, but if we're affraid of propagandists, then we've already lost the war 

[Plane]

It would be stupid for our President to speak in such as way as to sound like he had declared war on Islam. Luckily, he is not stupid. 

  I gotta agree with this point.

    All of Islam would be considerably harder to fight than "Dash" or "Isis" or whatever.

     I hope the advice President Obama is getting does include a translator and a cultural expert who can help him find the line .

       "Islamonatzi" doesn't bother me as a term, because it not only draws parallels between our enemy of the 1940s and their intolerant, cruel ,despotism and our enemy of the present with  their intolerant, cruel ,despotism , also it reminds people that the Nazi movement was defeated, it should remind people of what was required to produce that defeat.

     If there were an Arabic term that meant "those guys we do not respect at all(not you, you peace loving Muslims)    should we try to use it?

     We would be lucky to find such a term pronounceable.