Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Jews were not EXPELLED from Gaza.  They INVADED Gaza against the wishes of the Gazans and imposed martial law on the unfortunate inhabitants. When too many members of the Israeli military occupation of Gaza were killed trying to defend unwelcome colonists, they withdrew because of pressure from the Israeli people.

You make this sound like some sort of ethnic cleansing.  Jews did not control Gaza for many years even in ancient times. 

Gaza is an open air prison for people being punished for the crime of being born Palestinian.  If you treat anyone as a prisoner, he will be rebellious.  This also explains why some monkeys fling poo at Zoo visitors. They want to be free.

[Plane]

   The flinging of poo does nothing to produce freedom.

    The flinging of bombs built walls so high that bombs can't get over and produced checkpoints with miserably long wait times where you can literally die waiting you turn .

     The  Ayatollah has a plan to support constant poo flinging forever, this is not a solution that will help a single Palestinian person now alive, he merely hopes that the expense and danger will eventually make the USA and Israel tired and broke enough to just move away .

    IN the mean time , if the Palestinians have to live in ever increasing restriction , all the better as far as the  Ayatollah is concerned, heaven forbid that peace should ever break out by any means other than the control of Islam being asserted.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Palestinians are incarcerated by Zionists, period. This was and is and always will be unjust. period.

[Plane]

Palestinians are incarcerated by Zionists, period. This was and is and always will be unjust. period.

What is your point?

I did not say it was just .

But if justice requires everyone to die , avoid justice.

There won't be a two state solution , and Ayatollah Khamenei explains why he won't allow anything but war . He even explains how he will ensure there will be no peace.

   The Administration of Iran might be determined to make certain that there is never anything but War in Palestine, but why blame them for anything?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Iran is only peripheral to the conflict between the  Zionists and the Palestinians they drove out of their  homeland. 
Iran only uses this outrage to gain favor with the less educated Iranians who are the main base of support for the ayatollah's government.

[Plane]

  If they are prepared to ensure that no peace plan but their own is ever going to succeed , then they are not peripheral to the problem.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Iran is not at war with Israel. Israel spies on Iran and pulls dirty tricks on them, and vice versa. They are shitty neighbors, both of them.


The Palestinians did not invite the Jews to invade their country based on ancient Bible tales. The British decided that somehow they should invade the area, and that is what they did.

Jews were mistreated by Germany and Austria, not by Arabs. They should have been given a chunk of Bavaria or a slice of Tyrol.

Iran is not a part of any two state solution, one state solution or any other solution to the Zionist vs Palestinian problem.

Iran has every bit as much a right to nukes as does Israel, which is to say that neither of them should have them.

[Plane]

  I think you are wrong on most of that.

  I want to particularly point out that Iran is directly involved in the two state solution , in that they are willing to make sure that it never happens.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Iran has NOTHING TO DO with any Palestinian situation. The main obstacle to a two state solution is Netanyahu deliberately sabotaging any attempt to get talks started. This is deliberate.  Netanyahu has only claimed to favor a two state solution because the US has declared this to be the basis for the US giving hung chunks of taxpayer money to Israel, a beggar nation. His actual policy is to postpone, build walls, allow the West Bank to fill up with more and more Jews and then blame the Palestinians for being impossible. He is very, very clever. He is also a liar with pants that have been flaming for twenty years.

Iran gains no benefit from either Palestinian Sunnis deprived of their aspirations, or another Sunni Arab state over a thousand miles away from Teheran. Iran is only using this as propaganda to keep the ayatollahs in charge of Iran.

[Plane]

  You don't think the Ayatollah can't really do what he says he is doing?

    The Gazan tunnels were not dug for free, someone ponied up major cash and brought a lot of rebar and concrete where those things are scarce.

     There cannot be a two state solution if neither nascent state nor any of their sponsors want it , two states is an American Idea and we are pounding this round peg into a square picture of a hole painted on steel.

     The  Ayatollah can ensure that the most militant never run out of money, what else need he do?

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, I not only thing he cannot do it, he will not do it.

No one needs to pay contractors to Hamas to dig tunnels. All they need are shovels, it is a low tech affair. Rebar is easilyt salvaged from bombed out buildings. Cement is very cheap, and I doubt that much is needed.

Iran has nothing to gain one way or another from an independent Sunni Palestine.
Israel has few natural resources. The education of its people are its main asset. Iran cannot enslave Israelis.  Israel's other major asset is its money pipeline from the US of not just US taxpayer money, but Jewish money.  Pretty much anything that Americans send money to can be written off as a charity. That is something else that Iran cannot tap into.

[Plane]

 All they need are shovels, it is a low tech affair.

Nope. this is a very poor description of these tunnels.

They were not made with recycled materials.

Rebar and cement at that  time was worth smuggling , competing for space with food and weapons.

These were long well engineered tunnels that used as much new concrete as a major building would have .

And the Ayatollah claims the victory, yep, all that fighting was a victory in his book.

[Xavier_Onassis]

What advantage did he gain?  Nothing but a propaganda coup at best.

The fact remains that the people in Gaza have been shut up in an open air prison all their lives, and the Zionists are responsible.

[Plane]

  They have chosen.

  A minority choose otherwise.

    There is another minority that make the choice hard, Palestinians do not want peace.

Perhaps most of them do want peace , but they cannot be separated  form the ones that don't.

Would you choose a prisoners life if the alternative was a higher standard of living in an objectionable regime?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/breaking-taboo-jerusalem-palestinians-seek-israeli-citizenship/ar-BBlnjN3

they can seek citizenship if they wish, the vast majority reject it, not wanting to renounce their own history or be seen to buy into Israel's 48-year occupation.

And yet over the past decade, an increasing number of East Jerusalem Palestinians have gone through the lengthy process of becoming Israeli citizens, researchers and lawyers say.

In part it reflects a loss of hope that an independent Palestinian state will ever emerge. But it also reflects a hard-headed pragmatism - an acknowledgement that having Israeli citizenship will make it easier to get or change jobs, buy or move house, travel abroad and receive access to services.

Israeli officials are reluctant to confirm figures, but data obtained by the Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies indicates a jump over the past decade, rising from 114 applications in 2003 to between 800 and 1,000 a year now, around half of which are successful. On top of that, hundreds have made inquiries before the formal application process begins.

[Xavier_Onassis]

This is only possible for those living in East Jerusalem.

Gazans and West Bankers are excluded.