Ayatollah Ali Khamenei explains

[Plane]

This is only possible for those living in East Jerusalem.

Gazans and West Bankers are excluded.

Good point.

Gaza and the West Bank are genuine Israeli territory so the people there should be included in this deal.

Citizenship by residence[edit]

Citizenship by residence was intended for non-Jewish denizens of the British Mandate of Palestine (Arabs, Druze, Bedouins, etc.) who were considered to be associated with Palestine during the period immediately prior to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Such denizens who were still within the territorial confines of Israel after the war were granted full Israeli citizenship. In order to determine who was eligible for citizenship under this provision, the state of Israel conducted a population registration in 1952 and again in the 1980s. Those found to meet the requirements obtained Israeli citizenship. For purposes regarding modern Israeli citizenship, this section is usually irrelevant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nationality_law

[Xavier_Onassis]

Gaza and the West Bank are NOT Israeli territory, not even by Israeli law.

Conquered territory cannot be annexed without the approval of the residents. That is in the UN Charter, signed by the US and Israel and all the rest of the members of the United Nations.

And IF THEY WERE, then the Palestinians would have the right to vote in the Knesset, and Netanyahu would be a thing of the fucking past.

[Plane]

And IF THEY WERE, then the Palestinians would have the right to vote in the Knesset, and Netanyahu would be a thing of the fucking past.

Hush!

Do not suggest something this simple might work better than killing thousands more local people of every description for a couple more generations.

[Xavier_Onassis]

It depends on what you mean by "not so bad". You do not live in Israel, nor do you read Hebrew or Arabic or Farsi. If you do read about this, it is mostly Israeli propaganda. 

When the Israelis were attempting to colonize the nicer bits of Gaza, they threw lots more Palestinians in prison. The Palestinians killed a lot more Israelis as well.  But after Israel was chased out, then Hamas took over, and at present few Palestinians are jailed, and many more are killed. It has turned from a rather secret daily war into a propaganda war punctuated by the odd rocket fired into Israel with very few fatalities and  raids in which the Israelis go ape and level entire blocks of homes. Hamas is more fanatical in their attacks and so is Netanyahu.  Iran has very little to do with this. What Iran mostly does is rattle its saber at the Israelis for the benefit of the local  fundamentalist Shia Muslims. Iran has the ability to design much better rockets than Hamas builds. The fact that they do not do is is because they are not that invested into actual aggression. It is a mostly propaganda war.

[Plane]

I missed when someone said "not so bad".

It is bad and tends to get periodically worse.

Why can't you believe the  Ayatollah?

I think he is describing what he is really about.

I also do not think he would appreciate you saying that his words were mere Israeli propaganda.

[Plane]

There were few Jews in Palestine before 1940. Most came after that. Needing room, they drove the Palestinians into Gaza and incarcerated them forever.

  By the way before 1930 this was a sparsely settled area and Jerusalem was not a capitol city.
But there were plenty of Jews.

Not a majority , but quite easy to find.

Before 1913 the area was run by the government of Turkey, apparently better than  any government since.

[Xavier_Onassis]

There were several times more Jews in Palestine than Arabs. 
The Turkish administration kept the peace, often quite brutally. A few rich people owned almost everything, and the majority of the people owned nothing.
Ottoman corruption was legendary throughout the Empire.
I think peasants were sold with the land in the Ottoman Empire.

The area known as Israel was NEVER noted for good government.  Even the Bible condemns many of the Hebrew kings.

[Plane]

There were several times more Jews in Palestine than Arabs. 

Oh I got that backwards?

Sorry, and thank you.

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, I got it backwards. There were several times more Palestinians Arabs than Jews. From the end of the Roman Empire to the early 1800's, the Jewish population was under 30,000. 

[Plane]

   What was the total population?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Wikipedia has this to say:

In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

    There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or—a small number—are Protestants. The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions. Jewish agricultural colonies were founded. They developed the culture of oranges and gave importance to the Jaffa orange trade. They cultivated the vine, and manufactured and exported wine. They drained swamps. They planted eucalyptus trees. They practised, with modern methods, all the processes of agriculture. There are at the present time 64 of these settlements, large and small, with a population of some 15,000.[27]

By 1948, the population had risen to 1,900,000, of whom 68% were Arabs, and 32% were Jews (UNSCOP report, including Bedouin).

Report and general abstract of the Jewish agriculture was taken by the Palestine Zionist Executive in April 1927.

So there were 15,000 Jews in a population of 700,000. A bit over TWO PERCENT.

[Plane]

    This makes it sound as if crowding was not a problem to start with.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Crowding was not a problem in 1820, for sure.

That is how the Zionists got away with it. That and the fact that the British thought that the Arabs were only savages, while the Jews were almost as human as the British themselves.

[Plane]

   The British were not always gentle with Jews, they almost expelled them entirely .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_England

King Edward I's Edict of Expulsion in 1290.

After the expulsion, there was no Jewish community, apart from individuals who practised Judaism secretly, until the rule of Oliver Cromwell. While Cromwell never officially readmitted Jews to Britain, a small colony of Sephardic Jews living in London, was identified in 1656 and allowed to remain.

The Jewish Naturalisation Act of 1753, an attempt to legalise the Jewish presence in England, remained in force for only a few months. Historians commonly date Jewish Emancipation to either 1829 or 1858 when Jews were finally allowed to sit in Parliament, though Benjamin Disraeli, born Jewish, had been a Member of Parliament long before this. At the insistence of Irish leader Daniel O'Connell, in 1846, the British law "De Judaismo", which prescribed a special dress for Jews, was repealed.

[Xavier_Onassis]

Official expulsions of Jews were largely theoretical. Kings ordered all sort of stuff that were carried out in name only.

There were Jews in England at the time of Shakespeare, who wrote about them.

No king of England had serious power until Henry VIII.