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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #180 on: October 19, 2015, 11:48:26 PM »
No, it's my belief that Christians are Christians, due to what they believe,....period.  It's what makes them......wait for it......CHRISTIANS     ::)     And if Christians are supposedly susceptible to believing in the tooth fairy or witchcraft, as you claim, that apparently puts your fella, Obama, right smack in that realm of believing in them as well
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #181 on: October 20, 2015, 12:32:35 PM »
When I hear someone say I believe in witchcraft because the Bible tells me too, I will believe them.
But not any sooner.

Try not to kill any witches you think you see. I hear it is illegal. Probably because of a Communist plot.
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« Reply #182 on: October 20, 2015, 01:42:56 PM »
When I hear someone say I believe in witchcraft because the Bible tells me too, I will believe them.
But not any sooner.

So then its a bogus attempt to lump those who believe in Christianity into also believing in witch craft.  Yet, you made the implication. 


Try not to kill any witches you think you see. I hear it is illegal. Probably because of a Communist plot.

And why would I do that?  Besides being illegal, its one of the commandments, and has squat to do with communism, Dr Deflection.  Here's a hint....unless a witch is actually about to inflict harm, if not death upon my life, or my loved ones, or is casting some mass killing spell, ONLY THEN, would I make any effort to aim center mass, to stop such a deadly thread.  Until then, the witch can walk all she wants, right next to those communists, & racists, & bigots, & socialists, & marxists, etc., etc., etc.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #183 on: October 20, 2015, 01:52:54 PM »
Christians believe in the Bible.
They require no logical process to do this. Jesus told them to obey God's words

You claim that all Christians believe the same things, buy faith alone, unquestioningly.

Now the Bible says, and I quote. ''Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.''

http://biblehub.com/kjv/exodus/22-18.htm

Therefore, you, as a Christian, one of those many that all believe unquestioniningly in what the Bible says, must believe that it is your duty to kill witches.

Either you believe this, or you believe that you can choose only the parts you wish to believe. I think the Bible says that is not something you should do.

I mentioned Communists only because of a literary allusion that you must have failed to recognize.

Happy witch hunting!  No doubt that if you did as thr Bible says, and killed a witch and were arrested for it, then that would be an instance of Obama's alleged War on Christianity.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #184 on: October 20, 2015, 02:02:13 PM »
The bible also makes clear thou shalt not kill.  I'm going with that one......until the point where a supposed "witch" is about to try and kill me, or loved one, or a group of folk.  Sorry to burst that bubble
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« Reply #185 on: October 20, 2015, 10:08:35 PM »
Well, see that is the problem.The Bible says Kill the Witch in one place and Do not Kill in another.

A rational being Supreme or not should not be giving contradictory commands. But again ans again, that is what the Bible does.

If the Bible mentions witches and demons that cause mental disease, does that mean that witches and demons exist?

It is a good idea that we do not think too much about these imaginary beings.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #186 on: October 20, 2015, 10:54:52 PM »
Paul did not welcome gentiles into Christianity earlier than any other, his advocacy or allowing membership without circumcision and obedience to diet and other law harks back to Jesus getting offended with the Pharisee's misuse of the law.

But, if what you want to do is separate Christ from Christianity, then selective understanding of Paul's writings and importance kinda works.

Jesus plainly served Jews first , but did not refuse to serve gentiles , even the reviled Samaritans .

Wasn't it Jesus who told the parable of the good Samaritan?

What do you suppose he meant to say with a story about a goodSamaritan?

I think it interesting to assert that Jesus had a political agenda, and that Paul invented the religion.

So where does Jesus speak or take action politically?

Where exactly does Paul do as Jesus would not?

Point for point it is all easily refutable .

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #187 on: October 21, 2015, 03:45:07 AM »
Well, see that is the problem.The Bible says Kill the Witch in one place and Do not Kill in another.

Actually, no, it's not a problem at all.  Being a Christian has simple fundamentals, that don't require the literal following of practices that took places in Christ's time.  A) Christ died for our sins, and is the son of God, and is God.  B) Satan exists, and is forever tempting man steer away from God, when not trying to cast doubt.  The rest is what one's walk with God is all about. 

One could analogize your attempted contradictions as the killing of some "witch" is to some local jurisdiction, as one of the 10 commandments, is to being one of the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the living world.  The latter kinda trumps the former.  Point being, your puny parameters of what must be rational to God, are no different than your scientific mandates of what God must abide by.  God has no restrictions, no boundaries.  And the kicker is, Christians get it

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #188 on: October 21, 2015, 09:56:41 AM »
Where exactly does Paul do as Jesus would not?

Jesus said, follow the laws written in the Bible. That includes the one regarding the necessity of male circumcision.
Paul said that this was not necessary, after he himself circumcised Timothy.
Would Jesus have circumcised Timothy?
Or would he have said ''this is not necessary to be a Christian''.

Of course, Jesus did not use the word ''Christian'' ever. e was Yeshua ben Yosef to his followers. ''Christian'' is a Greek work. Paul, not Jesus, actually named the religion.

If the Bible mentions witches and demons, then there must be witched and demons, if you believe that the Bible is the word of God.

I do not think that most Chritians actually believe in witchcraft or demonic possession. It is certainly not greatly feared as it was 500 years ago.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #189 on: October 21, 2015, 10:58:59 AM »
I doubt most Christians do as well.  What's the primary belief for a Christian however is that A) Christ died for our sins, and is the son of God, and is God.  B) Satan exists, and is forever tempting man to steer away from God, when not trying to cast doubt.  The rest is what one's walk with God is all about.  It's a fairly simple concept, that again, Christians get.  Others, obviously not
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #190 on: October 21, 2015, 11:31:56 AM »
How about demonic possession and witches?  Do you believe in those?
 Are you one of those ''cafeteria Christians'' that believes only in the parts you like?

It is pretty hard these days to find clothes made of unblended fabric. Even shirts that are 100 percent cotton are often sewn together with threads that contain nylon or some other synthetic. But still, the commandment says, refrain from cloth that is made from more than one fiber. They had to pick linen, wool or cotton or risk the wrath of the Creator.
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #191 on: October 21, 2015, 12:14:47 PM »
The primary belief for a Christian is that A) Christ died for our sins, and is the son of God, and is God.  B) Satan exists, and is forever tempting man to steer away from God, when not trying to cast doubt.  The rest is what one's walk with God is all about.

This attempted line of questioning how a Christian has to apply every possible aspect of the Bible reminds me of a rather foul mouthed leftist who claimed that a Christian wasn't a Christian unless they were actively killing gays.  Obviously, he wasn't a Christian
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #192 on: October 21, 2015, 01:05:42 PM »
So, I see you do NOT believe in the entire Bible, just the parts you fancy. You do not fancy  witches and demons, so you claim that belief in them is unnecessary. I bet you even wash your hands before eating. Jesus was not into the germ ''theory'' of disease (do we still call it a theory?) The disciples did not bother to wash their hands before dinner, as taught by the Bible and Jewish custom. ere is what the Bible says:

Mark 7:1-8, 14-15, 21-23
7:1 Now when the Pharisees and some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem gathered around him,

7:2 they noticed that some of his disciples were eating with defiled hands, that is, without washing them.

7:3 (For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, do not eat unless they thoroughly wash their hands, thus observing the tradition of the elders;

7:4 and they do not eat anything from the market unless they wash it; and there are also many other traditions that they observe, the washing of cups, pots, and bronze kettles.)

7:5 So the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”

7:6 He said to them, “Isaiah prophesied rightly about you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me;

7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching human precepts as doctrines.’

7:8 You abandon the commandment of God and hold to human tradition.”

7:14 Then he called the crowd again and said to them, “Listen to me, all of you, and understand:

7:15 there is nothing outside a person that by going in can defile, but the things that come out are what defile.”

7:21 For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: fornication, theft, murder,

7:22 adultery, avarice, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, folly.

7:23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

Christian groups run many hospitals, are each and every one would disagree with the Son of God about washing his hands before eating. There is MUCH that can defile your body outside if it gets into you, including bacteria, viruses, poisons and all sorts of toxic stuff. Jesus was clearly WRONG about the importance of washing one's hands.
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Samaritans were (and are: there are still about 800 left) followers of an Abrahamic religion very similar to Judaism that claim that they are the inheritors of the Hebrew faith, while the Jews who were taken away in exile to Assyria,  changed the religion as a result of their exile.

So Samaritans were very similar to Jews. Certainly more so than Greeks, Romans, and Baal worshiping Philistines.

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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #193 on: October 21, 2015, 01:56:20 PM »
Again, missing the point...on purpose I'm sure.   It's not about microanalysing the bible, or even "belief" in the bible, its about the belief in God.  The Bible is merely God speaking to us.  Being a Christian is simple....a belief that A) Christ died for our sins, and is the son of God, and is God.  B) Satan exists, and is forever tempting man to steer away from God, when not trying to cast doubt.  The rest is what one's walk with God is all about.

Christians get this.  Others, obviously not
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Re: Ben Carson thinks Charles Darwin was encouraged by SATAN?
« Reply #194 on: October 21, 2015, 03:04:40 PM »
So, since Jesus wants us NOT to bother with washing out hands, does Satan favor hand washing or not?
Before you eat,  you probably feel a desire to wash your hands.

But now you know that Jesus was against washing one's hands, how can you be sure that the urge to wash your hands does not come from Satan?

I find it strange that Jesus, since he was God, would not be aware that viruses and bacteria are easily spread with the hands by humans. One would expect more from the omniscient  Creator God that put the place together, and one assumes, has a perfect memory.

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