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Kaepernick Started something, it appears.
« on: September 14, 2016, 12:51:17 PM »
 Any way you look at it, not standing for the national anthem is a peaceful and nonviolent act. But uppity ni&&ers still piss off guys like CU4.

LEONARD PITTS, JR.

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It keeps getting bigger.

One might have expected last month’s protest by San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, his refusal to stand for the national anthem, to have blown over by now. Instead, it has caught fire. Sunday, members of the Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots and Kansas City Chiefs all staged protests of their own. This was in addition to earlier protests by soccer star Megan Rapinoe and members of the Denver Broncos and Seattle Seahawks. There have even been reports of the phenomenon spreading to high school and college games.
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All of this in support of Kaepernick, who said, “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.” Apparently, he’s struck a nerve.

For the record, yes, I do stand when the anthem is played. But I don’t do it for America. America breaks my heart on a daily basis.
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Fans speak out on Colin Kaepernick's refusal to stand during the national anthem

Sports fans were interviewed regarding 49er quarterback Colin Kaepernick's refusal to stand during the national anthem at an NFL preseason game. The interviews were done at Sports Station in Modesto, Calif., on Saturday, Aug. 27, 2016.
Ron Agostini & Marijke Rowland The Modesto Bee
 

So, I stand for what America is supposed to be, what America could be if it ever took seriously its founding principles, including that “self-evident” truth about equality. But America has yet to do that, and Kaepernick is hardly the first person to notice.

On the last night of his life, Martin Luther King said: “All we say to America is, be true to what you said on paper.”

In a poem, Langston Hughes complained: “America never was America to me.”

Kaepernick is not even the first athlete to snub the rituals of American patriotism. “I cannot stand and sing the anthem,” a baseball player once wrote. “I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world.” The man’s name was Jackie Robinson.

Point being, I have no quarrel with Kaepernick.

Others, do. The internet is awash in videos of his burning jersey. Wayne Newton said on Fox that if Kaepernick doesn’t like it here, “Get the hell out.” Various memes juxtapose his image with those of wounded and dead military personnel. And Tucker Carlson and Rush Limbaugh have suggested Kaepernick has no right to protest racism because he’s wealthy — as if wealth provides some magic protection from getting pulled over for DWB.
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Arian Foster talks about why he's kneeling during National Anthem

Miami Dolphins running back Arian Foster talks to the media on Mon., Sept. 12, 2016 about why he decided to kneel down during the National Anthem in Sunday's season-opening game against the Seattle Seahawks.
Matias J. Ocner Miami Herald
 

It does not. Indeed, the very fact that Kaepernick feels estranged from a country that has afforded him material success should induce thoughtful observers to wonder how that could be. Instead, we get lectures from blowhards on how rich and ungrateful Kaepernick is.

The thing is, people like them get indignant when anger over racial oppression expresses itself in street violence. Now we see they also get indignant when it expresses itself peacefully.

Which suggests their complaint is less about the form of protest than the fact of protest. Apparently, those who live with injustice are expected to quietly grin and bear it so the likes of Carlson and Limbaugh are not troubled by uncomfortable truths.

That’s not going to happen.

Ultimately, American protest is not just a right, nor even an obligation. No, it is an act of faith, an expression of the belief that a country founded on that great, self-evident truth can do — and be — better. That’s the faith that has undergirded African-American struggle for centuries, the thing that has allowed us to support a country that would not support us, defend a country that would not defend us, love a country that did not love us.

And it is the reason people affronted by the form — and fact — of Kaepernick’s protest have framed the issue exactly wrong. This is not about whether Kaepernick will stand up for America.

No, this is about whether America will finally stand up for him.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article101688282.html#storylink=cpy
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Re: Kaepernick Started something, it appears.
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2016, 03:26:51 PM »
Any way you look at it, Colin can protest however any damn way he wants.  He however gets no immunity bubble from highlighting how much of an ungrateful hypocritical ignorant moron he's being in his "nonviolent protest", and appropriately criticized for it
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2016, 03:55:39 PM »
How is he ungrateful? NFL pros have lives shortened by at least a decade for no better reason than as attractants to beer and car commercials.

He has stated his objectives pretty clearly, and the protest has caught on.
Most of the viewers of NFL are White, so the players are reaching the target audience. And it actually inconveniences no one. It gives the commentators something more meaningful to talk about.

And of course, it pisses dogwhistle  racists off, an added bonus.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2016, 04:14:02 PM »
How is he ungrateful?

Millions have died to provide him the right to protest.  That's how


And of course, it pisses dogwhistle  racists off, an added bonus

No, he pisses off those who ARE grateful for the freedoms that so many died for, that we have, that a majority of the rest of the globe, doesn't
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2016, 05:29:49 PM »
I am not buying that anyone who has fought in any war for the US after WWII did so to protect freedom of speech, and specifically the right to not stand when they play the national anthem at football games.

They may have fought for dozens of other reasons, but no enemy since Nazi Germany posed any threat whatever to the freedoms of Americans in the US.

If we have the right, then who the Hell are you to tell people that they should not use it?
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2016, 06:01:21 PM »
No one's mandating that you have to accept the truth.  It just is

And one more time for the ignorant impaired.....Colin has every right to exercise his ignorant, ungrateful, hypocritical "nonviolent protest".  Where do you get off claiming folks like myself claim he shouldn't be allowed??
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2016, 07:19:21 PM »
Why put quotes around the word "nonviolent"?  Are you questioning the possibility that he was sitting violently?


What is the deal with saying, "people DIED for you right to protest... and that is why you should not protest!"  What sort of idiotic twisting of words is that?

Ask anyone serving in the military and you will never hear " so NFL players can sit down when they play the National Anthem to protest police shooting unarmed Black men".
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2016, 07:45:44 PM »
Why put quotes around the word "nonviolent"?  Are you questioning the possibility that he was sitting violently?

Not at all


What is the deal with saying, "people DIED for you right to protest... and that is why you should not protest!"  What sort of idiotic twisting of words is that?

One more time for the ignorant impaired......NO ONE IS CLAIMING SOMEONE CAN'T PROTEST HOWEVER THE HELL THEY WANT.  IF YOUR PROTEST IS BASED ON IGNORANCE & HYPOCRISY, YOU DON'T GET A PASS ON BEING CRITICIZED & CONDEMNED IN RESPONSE.  THAT DOESN'T EQUATE INTO "YOU SHOULD NOT PROTEST"  UNDERSTAND YET??


Ask anyone serving in the military and you will never hear " so NFL players can sit down when they play the National Anthem to protest police shooting unarmed Black men".

Ask anyone serving in the military, and you will never hear anyone refer to any one specifically, be it an NFL player or NRA member.  Its merely their service and SACRIFICES, THAT ALLOW EVERYONE TO PROTEST HOWEVER THEY WANT
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 12:12:58 AM »
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Most of the viewers of NFL are White, so the players are reaching the target audience.
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And of course, it pisses dogwhistle  racists off, an added bonus.

I see a cognitive dissonance there.

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 01:55:56 PM »
So they have a RIGHT to protest, but every time they do so, they have to hear morons telling them that they should be ashamed of themselves for protesting and should feel guilty for all the deaths they caused of people defending their right to protest. Lay guilt on anyone who dares to exercise their right.

We are talking about some jocks sitting or kneeling at a stupid for profit extravaganza of beer and car commercials into which perhaps  ¼ of the time involves a ball game. Do Americans watch NFL games so they can feel patriotic?  How many of them are standing reverently in front of their TVs  with their hands on their chests as compared with those who remain seated in their Barcaloungers with a can of Bud in their hand?
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2016, 02:13:20 PM »
So they have a RIGHT to protest, but every time they do so, they have to hear morons telling them that they should be ashamed of themselves for protesting and should feel guilty for all the deaths they caused of people defending their right to protest.

BINGO!  Rationalizations aside, you're FINALLY starting to grasp how the 1st amendment works.  In other words, it DOESN'T work where one person can say, piss off and offend anyone they want, in "protest", but gets some immunity from being pissed off or offended in return.  It works where ANYONE can say or do ANYTHING IN PROTEST, so long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.  There is no right not to be offended or made to feel guilty.  That goes BOTH ways

Doesn't matter who we're talking about either, from some U.S. Senator spewing bile to some Football jock personifying ignorance.  They all have the same right in exercising their 1st amendment, and neither have a right not to be offended in response to those exercising their 1st amendment right in criticising or condemnation
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2016, 05:57:10 PM »
If you are pissed off by someone simply because the refuse to stand up for the National Anthem, then  there is something seriously wrong with you.

If you actually believe for a second that the motive for anyone going off to fight in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Panama, Granada or Vietnam did it to protect the First Amendment, then you are nucking futz. No one in any of those places gave a damn about or even was aware of the First Amendment.

Shaming Kaepernick for sitting down is just stupid. Anyone who says it is not stupid, is also stupid.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2016, 06:01:46 PM »
If you are pissed off by someone simply because the refuse to stand up for the National Anthem, then  there is something seriously wrong with you.

And if you don't stand up for the National Anthem, then there is something seriously wrong with you

See how that works?

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2016, 07:32:21 PM »
If you are pissed off by someone simply because the refuse to stand up for the National Anthem, then  there is something seriously wrong with you.

If you actually believe for a second that the motive for anyone going off to fight in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Panama, Granada or Vietnam did it to protect the First Amendment, then you are nucking futz. No one in any of those places gave a damn about or even was aware of the First Amendment.

Shaming Kaepernick for sitting down is just stupid. Anyone who says it is not stupid, is also stupid.


Aaaaand aren't you glad to have the right to say so?

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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2016, 07:56:50 PM »
Uhm
By saying million died for him to protest then what he did is a positive and in no way is he should be portrayed as ungrateful.

I do not recall a single arguement stating what he did was incorrect. The main issue was treatment of blacks in America. Nobody said he was wrong. He even gain growing support