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question about pot
« on: March 14, 2007, 04:16:49 AM »
can it make a guy run around in his underwear acting all violent
i just saw it on eye to eye just now
i thought pot has a diferent effect
it scare a teenage girl off pot
kinda funny
you can tell i can`t sleep today
hopefully i`ll passout soon

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2007, 04:44:32 AM »
I have never tried it.


Perhaps soon after it becomes leagal I might ,but not till then.


A friend of mine was killed by a stupid pot dealer, and that put me off a bit.


Though te stupidity of th dealer mght have predated the pot , the law about  the pot was what brought them into conflict.

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 10:15:13 AM »
The question itself is about Tetrahydrocannabinol, which is the chemical found in marijuana.

I think the correct scientific answer to your question kimba, would be: "maybe, but not likely."

Of course what the individual is wearing at the time is not related to the drug being consumed. A scenario like that would depend heavily on knowing information beforehand. For example:

Does the individual have any pre-existing physical or mental health conditions?
What other medications had the individual taken that day?
What other illicit (if any) drugs had the individual consumed recently?
What was the situation the individual was facing beforehand?
Was there alcohol consumed beforehand?
Does the individual have a history of violence?

Scientifically there are many reasons why someone can take any medication (legal or illegal) and have a peculiar reaction to it. When you see something like that on a television program, you may not be getting a complete picture.

Then again you might be, but you might be getting what is known as an atypical reaction. As our healthcare professionals can tell you much more than I, sometimes people fall into that < 1% of the population that just has a bizarre reaction to a medication.

Now, that doesn't mean I think anyone should go out and eat a pound of hash! In fact, quite the opposite. I'm just saying that it is often easy to mischaracterize the negative effects of medication by showing a single clip on television.

Luckily, medication and double-blind studies lend themselves well to scientific analysis.

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2007, 10:52:49 AM »
Speaking as (ahem!) something of a practical expert on the subject, although it has been many years since my last experience with either pot or hash, I would be very surprised if the violent reaction you described was experienced by more than a small fraction of one per cent of all pot and hashish smokers.  Probably psychos to start with.  I've never experienced, and have never seen others experience, anything other than a delicious sense of humour, excited by the most mundane things, immense appreciation and understanding of visual experiences, music and personal interactions, and a great feeling of wellbeing and affection for all sentient beings, particularly whatever sentient being or beings you happen to be with at the moment.  Plus enormous attention to details that you would never notice in a million years and some gross distortions of the normal sense of time.  Mix a little opium into the hashish and you will be as close to understanding the space-time continuum as Einstein.

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2007, 11:28:06 AM »
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Probably psychos to start with.

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that people with mental illness are more likely to be violent?
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Re: question about pot
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2007, 11:35:52 AM »
<<Just to clarify, are you suggesting that people with mental illness are more likely to be violent?>>

Of course not, I was using "psycho" as shorthand for a pathologically violent individual,  normally reined in by social inhibitions, who I thought would probably be the kind of person that kimba describes as violent on pot.

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2007, 11:38:27 AM »
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Probably psychos to start with.

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that people with mental illness are more likely to be violent?

Would it be more correct to say , more likely to be inappropriately violent?

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 11:48:22 AM »
Thanks for the clarification Tee.

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Would it be more correct to say , more likely to be inappropriately violent?

I'm not entirely certain what you're asking Plane, apologies.

Most research I've read has shown that individuals with diagnosed mental illnesses are less likely to be violent than the general population and that includes those who are not on a drug regimen (or have strayed from it). A lot of the stigma associated with mental illness is mostly myth.

The nature of violence is rather interesting in and of itself.
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Re: question about pot
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 03:59:09 PM »
As a rule, this is not at all a typical reaction. People tend to become peaceful and mellow and hungry to munch on food.

It intensifies the senses: colors seem brighter, music more melodic, smells and other sensations more intense.

It does not tend to cause people to get naked and become violent.

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 04:24:40 PM »
it reminds me all those anti-pot psa
which all these kids talk about how pot reacts to them with symtoms that`s caused by every drug but pot.
the only one thats real is the one about it making people lazy that they can`t work.
but everything does that .
so pretty much there is no accurate anti-pot psa for the moment.
I`d like too see one about how foul a pot smokers breathes smells
seriously they do have the foulest breathe around
I think it`s called sh*t breathe


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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2007, 04:39:14 PM »
The type of reaction that kimba described is more associated with smoking weed laced with PCP - the weed alone would typically have a more mellowing effect.  The addition of PCP is documented to frequently induce violent, often psychotic behavior.

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2007, 04:48:44 PM »
Missus,
I was just going to say that.  I had a patient many many years ago who exhibited that kind of behavior after having some visitors, and then he coded.  Was revived.   Very scary.  He told someone the next day that his friends brought him a joint laced with angel dust.  Why we didn't smell it I don't know. 
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Re: question about pot
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2007, 05:16:46 PM »
seriously they do have the foulest breathe around
I think it`s called sh*t breathe.

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Strangely, I never noticed this during my scientific investigations in Mexico back before the statute of limitations ran out. I could be that as a rule, potheads hang out with other potheads and tend to do a variety of things other than smelling one another's breath.

Eating brownies, potato chips, guacamole and such was a typical ancillary oral activity.

How effective would bad breath be as a deterrent? Has whisky breath ruined Chivas Regal's market? Has tobacco breath demolished Philip Morris?

Pot is recreational, like beer and booze. People don't like to work when drunk, either. I would never recommend daily use of pot as a means of improving one's career, but a weekend think occasionally would be a lot better than binge drinking, if not for the illegality of pot.

Our society has decided that if you feel bad, ot's okay to take something to feel better. But if you feel just okay, then taking something to feel terriffic must be immoral.

I guess the reason that ginseng extract (which is legal and effective) is not illegal is mostly because most ginseng products are so weak as to be bogus. Also, quite often apparently ginseng-free.



 
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Re: question about pot
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2007, 06:15:48 PM »
I use ginseng
don`t feel athing
but I truely hate the taste of it
caffeine is awhole other matter
I`m a tweaking with coffee
it`s total BS that`s it`s not a drug
it`s so addictive that you can`t go cold turkey with it
or face painful headaches
weening is the only way

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Re: question about pot
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 09:46:47 PM »
Lore from the 60's/70's: Half-a-million kids at Woodstock on pot and not a notable instance of violence.