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American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« on: October 04, 2007, 12:47:42 PM »
In Judging Risk, Our Fears Are Often Misplaced

By Shankar Vedantam
Monday, September 24, 2007


A woman eyes a D.C. transit officer patrolling with a submachine gun after the 2005 terrorist attacks in London. (Chip Somodevilla - Getty Images)

Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, psychologist Jennifer Lerner conducted a national field experiment: She asked a random sampling of Americans how likely it was that they would be the victim of a terrorist attack in the next 12 months.

Respondents said there was a 1-in-5 chance they would personally be hurt within the next year, and a nearly 1-in-2 chance that the average American would be hurt. That kind of carnage, Lerner estimated, would not have occurred even if there had been a Sept.11-scale attack every day of the year.

The purpose of Lerner's experiment was not to mock people's fears -- in the aftermath of the attacks, no one knew what to expect. If 19 hijackers armed with nothing more than box cutters could demolish the World Trade Center, damage the Pentagon, crash four airliners and kill nearly 3,000 people, who knew what else was coming?

What the experiment did highlight, however, was the role of psychological processes in biasing people's judgment when it comes to assessing risk. The study by Lerner, who is now at the Center for Public Leadership at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, and other research shows that when people are asked to make judgments about risk in uncertain situations, they fall back on mental rules of thumb that regularly turn out to be preposterously wrong.

Lerner found that anger and fear systematically bias people's risk estimates in opposite directions. Anger causes people to underestimate risks, which may be why drivers in the grip of road rage confidently attempt perilous maneuvers that place themselves and others in danger. By contrast, people who are afraid overestimate risks.

Research going back three decades shows that people are more likely to worry about unusual risks and less likely to worry about everyday dangers. Carnegie Mellon psychologist Baruch Fischhoff once found that people overestimate the number of deaths caused by accidents, tornadoes, floods, cancer, fires, and homicides and underestimate the risks of diabetes, stroke, asthma and emphysema.

To put it another way, people worry a lot more than they should about the kind of scenarios depicted in Hollywood thrillers and the nightly news, and worry a lot less than they should about "mundane" risks that do not make for gripping entertainment but kill a lot more Americans every year.

Malevolence or negligence on the part of others also seems to trigger our warning systems much more easily than the risks we pose to ourselves by smoking or leading sedentary lives. The number of Americans who have committed suicide in the last six years is more than 50 times the number of Americans killed by al-Qaeda operatives on Sept 11, 2001.

"The risk for any given person for suicide, particularly for middle-aged older white males, is dramatically higher than the risk of being mugged or being in a terrorist attack," said Lerner.

While psychology is not much use in predicting the future when it comes to terrorism, what it can do is highlight errors in thinking. Psychologist David Mandel asked people after the Sept. 11 attacks what they thought the risk of a major terrorist attack would be in the next two months. He then asked his volunteers to estimate the risk of an attack specifically by al-Qaeda and the risk of an attack by a completely separate group. Mandel found that when he totaled a person's responses about the likelihood of each of the subdivided possibilities, their sum was greater than the person's guess about the overall likelihood of a terrorist attack.

"By splitting the event into a terrorist attack by al-Qaeda or non-al-Qaeda operatives, that inflates the estimate the event will happen," said Mandel, who works for Defense Research and Development Canada, a government agency.

Subdividing a risk -- worrying not just about terrorism, in other words, but about nuclear terrorism and biological terrorism and hijacked planes and so on -- inflates the overall risk of terrorism in our minds. Mandel's point is not that subdividing risks leads to bad judgments, but rather that asking ourselves the same question in different ways often produces different answers. Mandel's insight is that it is not easy to know whether people's estimates of risk are accurate, since judgments about terrorism involve uncertainty, but that it is possible to discover whether their predictions of risk are coherent. A lack of coherence is one sign that accuracy might be in doubt as well.

Mandel has also found that when he asks people what the odds are of a terrorist attack happening and the odds of an attack not happening, their answers regularly fail to add up to 100 percent. And Lerner's field experiment confirmed another puzzling thing: People invariably see themselves as being at lower risk than the average person -- they guessed they had a 1-in-5 chance of being hurt but that others had a 1-in-2 chance of being hurt. Obviously, these statistics cannot be true for everyone.

"Not only is human judgment biased, but the problem is we are often unaware of the biases that affect our judgment," Mandel said. "When we are told people are biased in a particular manner we think, 'Perhaps they are, but not me.' "

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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2007, 07:36:55 PM »
When emotion trumps reason
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2007, 06:45:19 AM »
So you agree with the article, Sirs?
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2007, 11:26:02 AM »
Yes. 

I'm about as staunch a supporter of our efforts to take on Islamofascist terrorists as anyone, yet if someone had polled me asking the same questions, of course I wouldn't have believed I was going to be targeted by a terrorist attack, or even hurt.  I WOULD have expected and indicated a belief in another attack on the U.S., which I'm stunned hasn't happened, but when people start thinking they're personally in the crosshairs of Usama, that's emotion trumping all reason
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 11:22:03 PM »

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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2007, 11:33:01 AM »
Talk about emotion trumping reason.
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2007, 11:44:26 PM »
Talk about emotion trumping reason.

So, no comment?

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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 12:36:15 AM »

So, no comment?


Actually the "talk about emotion trumping reason" statement was my comment. The "controlled demolition" theory has been debunked quite thoroughly, yet it is persistently presented as "proof" of some sort of conspiracy theory. As I said, emotion trumping reason.
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2007, 01:14:48 AM »

So, no comment?


Actually the "talk about emotion trumping reason" statement was my comment. The "controlled demolition" theory has been debunked quite thoroughly, yet it is persistently presented as "proof" of some sort of conspiracy theory. As I said, emotion trumping reason.

Say what you will about the two towers, I can understand anyone not wanting to believe that our own government would kill so many Americans (though it is naive and pretty god damned stupid a position) but there is absolutely no denying that Building 7 was "pulled".  The owner of the buildings (who upped his insurance in case WTC was destroyed by "terrorism") is on film saying they made the decision to "pull" that building.  Anyone who watches that building fall can't, with any amount of realism, deny it was a controlled demolition.

Red Cross workers say they heard the countdown over a radio and ran for their lives to avoid being killed in the demolition.

The two towers were also destroyed in a controlled demolition using a form of thermite.  There's just no way a fire burned hot enough to make all the steel in that building give way.  Sorry, just didn't happen that way.  Cry all you want, those buildings were destroyed more by controlled demolition than by two remotecontrolled planes full of jet fuel.

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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2007, 01:24:28 AM »
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2007, 01:43:06 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3E-26oVIIs

Larry Silverstein states plainly they decided to "pull" Building 7.

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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2007, 01:56:58 AM »

Say what you will about the two towers, I can understand anyone not wanting to believe that our own government would kill so many Americans (though it is naive and pretty god damned stupid a position) but there is absolutely no denying that Building 7 was "pulled".


I don't have to deny it. It's been debunked. It simply isn't true. Denying it would be like denying the geocentric universe. You haven't got the scientific facts to back your claim up, no matter what you think your eyes told you.


The owner of the buildings (who upped his insurance in case WTC was destroyed by "terrorism") is on film saying they made the decision to "pull" that building.


They who?


Anyone who watches that building fall can't, with any amount of realism, deny it was a controlled demolition.


Right, because we're all just as knowledgeable as structural engineers and physicists, and we're also geniuses so we can know just by looking exactly what happened without any need to examine the evidence. Um, no, that doesn't work logically or rationally.


Red Cross workers say they heard the countdown over a radio and ran for their lives to avoid being killed in the demolition.


Red Cross workers, but not the police or the firemen?


The two towers were also destroyed in a controlled demolition using a form of thermite.  There's just no way a fire burned hot enough to make all the steel in that building give way.  Sorry, just didn't happen that way.

Actually, there is a way. Jet fuel on fire in a contained space that is full of highly combustible materials adds up to a 1800+ degree fire. More than hot enough to warp the metal beams. BT already posted this, but it is worth posting again: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html. The science is not on your side.
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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2007, 01:59:22 AM »
What he clearly says is that FDNY decided to pull firefighters from the building.




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Re: American Fears Misplaced Post 9/11
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2007, 02:39:27 AM »
What he clearly says is that FDNY decided to pull firefighters from the building.

Um no.  He doesn't.  He clearly says they made the decision to "pull the building".  Or are my ears now liars too?  Building 7 was a controlled demolition.  It fell in on itself.
Never in the history of the WORLD has a steel framed building collapsed due to fire.  On 9.11, THREE did.  Go figure.  What are the odds?