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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2008, 08:51:29 PM »
Boy, it just wouldn't be the saloon, without Tee's perseveration of calling anyone that doesn't adopt his warped vision of what is, is, comparable to Hitler         :D
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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2008, 09:02:51 PM »
I just thought it was funny that your version of Bush's take on war is pretty much like Low's caricature of Hitler's.  The resemblance was remarkable.

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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2008, 09:04:21 PM »
Some people say good morning, others say bush=hitler. After a while it is an automatic reflex and is meaningless.


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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2008, 09:14:50 PM »
It's like Tourette's syndrome.  They just can't help it.  Everything they say is meaningless.  How could Bush possibly be like Hitler.  He's an American, isn't he?  (Not Hitler, Bush!)

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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2008, 09:46:39 PM »
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It's like Tourette's syndrome.

Exactly. And once you understand it is an illness, the shock value dissipates.


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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2008, 10:00:29 PM »
Yeah and then you can go back to ignoring all the similarities.

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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2008, 10:12:33 PM »
Yeah and then you can go back to ignoring all the similarities.

Precisely.

It's like the constant misuse of the charge of racism. It loses its sting. Means nothing . As innocuous as calling someone a doo-doo head.


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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2008, 10:22:47 PM »
It's like the constant misuse of the charge of racism. It loses its sting. Means nothing . As innocuous as calling someone a doo-doo head.

Or the constant and consistent misuse of the word "war".

War on Drugs
War on Poverty
War on Crime
War on Terror
War on Obesity

After awhile you just get desensitized to it.

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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 10:48:33 PM »
Amen, Fatman. Preach it brother!
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever.
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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2008, 10:54:46 PM »
Yeah and then you can go back to ignoring all the similarities.

Precisely.   It's like the constant misuse of the charge of racism. It loses its sting. Means nothing . As innocuous as calling someone a doo-doo head.

BINGO      ;)
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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2008, 12:04:21 AM »
<<It's [pointing out the similarities between Bush & Hitler] like the constant misuse of the charge of racism. It loses its sting. Means nothing . As innocuous as calling someone a doo-doo head.>>

You guys have a positive genius for avoiding facts that are unpalatable but undeniable.  I stand in awe.  Literally.  You have absolutely no equals in the art of self-deception.

Pointing out the manifold Bush-Hitler similarities noted by dozens if not hundreds of liberal commentators is an "illness."  Pointing out obvious and unmistakeable signs of racism as have literally thousands and probably tens of thousands of ordinary citizens who know when they are being insulted is "misuse" [according to no less an authority than yourselves] of the charge of racism.  In either case, the accusation loses its "sting."

It's actually kind of funny.  You twist and turn in every way you can to avoid the simple recognition of obvious facts, all the while maintaining that YOU represent some kind of mainstream of moderate, reasonable thought, while the rest of the world sees through every subterfuge (most of them actually pretty lame and pathetic) that your squirming little minds can squeeze out.  Well, far be it from me to throw cold water on your endless efforts to turn reality around 180 degrees and have it march off to the beat of your discordant drums.  Follow that dream, fellas.  The funniest part of it all would be if Bush and Cheney ever stumbled upon this NG - - they'd read your valiant but pathetic defence of their morals and ethics, probably doubled up in laughter at the very thought that anyone could actually believe the kind of drivel they have to put out for public consumption.

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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2008, 12:25:33 AM »
So bush=hitler, you say? And that is because thousands of liberals agree with you?

Millions agreed with hitler. did that make his statements correct?


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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2008, 12:26:19 AM »
*snicker*
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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2008, 10:00:28 AM »
<<So bush=hitler, you say? >>

NOPE.  Wrong.  As you probably realize yourself.  Bush, as I have pointed out numerous times, is nowhere near the equal of Hitler in intellect, writing, oratorical skills, courage in battle, organizational skills or even artistic skill.  Bush is a vastly inferior being to Hitler even as an evil-doer, which they both obviously are.

Furthermore, the "equal" sign is a deliberate misrepresentation of my statement, another way you have ingeniously devised of avoiding any unpalatable truth - - just misrepresent it to the point where it's virtually unrecognizable and then ridicule it as if your comments were in any way remotely applicable to what I had said.  Bush did not advocate for racial laws distinguishing amongst people by racial origin, he did not establish concentration camps and torture chambers, at least not for his own citizens and has so far not provoked a world war.

No, what I said - - and please don't pretend this is too subtle a distinction for you to grasp, is that there are many SIMILARITIES between Bush and Hitler - - in his militarism, fascism, tolerance of torture, demonization of his "enemies," who are probably better described as scapegoats, monstrous lies, war-mongering and assumptions of national entitlement contrary to all settled notions of international law and a general contempt for the rule of law.  Those are plenty of similarities, which you choose to ignore by the facile dismissal of the idea that "Bush = Hitler," and sirs of course, with his little echoes ("BINGO!" "SNICKER" and similar essays of more or less similar intellectual depth.

<<And that is because thousands of liberals agree with you?>>

No, it's because the similarities are inescapable to anyone who has the faintest idea of who Hitler was, how he gained power and what he did with the power he gained.  The thousands of liberals is also a misrepresentation of what I said.  Hundreds of millions of liberals around the world would probably agree with me, but what I actually said was that thousands of liberal COMMENTATORS agreed with me, which I felt obliged to point out since you were attempting to marginalize my views as meaningless ravings, as if I were a party of one.

<<Millions agreed with hitler. did that make his statements correct?>>

You should check this out with Ami first.  According to Ami, none of them agreed with Hitler, they were all just terrorized by him.  Even the cheering crowds, the weeping, hysterical women, the shouting men and boys were all trucked in by Nazi goons and ORDERED to appear enthusiastic in front of the newsreel cameras.  They really hated the whole thing.  They all had Jews hidden in their basements.  Hitler really was a party of one also, but somehow managed to have everyone scared shitless.

OK, OK, I'll answer your question.  The agreement of millions certifies to the power of the idea, not its correctness, obviously.  The number of supporters is irrelevant to the truth of the idea, but that's why it's not a good idea to try to marginalize somebody's idea by depicting it as a form of insanity, as "losing its sting" as if it had no logical value but was only created for shock value, etc.  If you review the history of this thread, or even the arguments we have in this group, it is always the crypto-fascist elements who raise the numbers game, only in a subtle way by trying to depict liberal ideas as "loony" or ridiculous, something that only a tiny minority of the population could possibly hold, whereas in reality most people would probably agree with the liberal position and reject almost any crypto-fascist ideas once the sugar-coating has worn off.  Witness Al Gore/Nader vote totals in 2000, versus the fascist vote, or witness the  public rejection (roughly two-thirds according to polls) of the Bush-McCain war.

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Re: McCain's War Policy Called 'Surrender' to Bin Laden
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2008, 10:13:36 AM »
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The agreement of millions certifies to the power of the idea, not its correctness, obviously.

Then why use the "thousands of liberals" as proof of your thesis?