California judge says no to homeschooling

[Cynthia]

Hey, that is neat, Bt. A little bit before my time..but I remember hearing about the Post 41.

There are going to be successes and failures in any system...

So, now are we to advocate home schooling all of our children based on her success story?
The odds are that there are going to be fabulous parenting skills, and even not so good parenting skills in the mix.....and children learn in spite of us, too, remember.
 

One has to wonder about the lawyers and doctors and where they attended primary school 30-40 years ago.

Must have been at home.

again...no system is perfect.

Congratulations to Bethany

[BT]

So, now are we to advocate home schooling all of our children based on her success story?

I think the debate revolves around choice. The public school system seems to be more concerned with maintaining their monopoly than meeting the challenge of their competition, whether it be private schools, parochial schools, charter schools or home schools.

And that is a shame.

[Cynthia]

So, now are we to advocate home schooling all of our children based on her success story?

I think the debate revolves around choice. The public school system seems to be more concerned with maintaining their monopoly than meeting the challenge of their competition, whether it be private schools, parochial schools, charter schools or home schools.

And that is a shame.

So, is there truth to the argument that the PS system is slowly becoming a full blown socialist institution?
Maintaining their monopoly? Seems that the public schools operate out of a warehouse on that board game.

Ok, explain what is the perfect system for children, BT.
I am listening.

[BT]

I think that there is truth to the statement that public schools do not want to be held accountable to the same standards they require of the competition.

Homeschoolers outperform public schools on standardized tests. Public schools says standardized testing is unfair.

Homeschoolers are now in California required to be taught by credentialed teachers. Public schools issue emergency credentials when needed. Homeschool teachers aren't given that option.

There is no perfect system. To design and enforce a one size fits all template is folly.

[fatman]

Thanks for that trip down memory lane BT.  I joined in either late 2001 or early 2002, mirstnkim talked me into it.  So many names there that aren't around anymore, where'd they all go?  I remember chat with kim, missus, you and brass, others would pop in once in awhile.  I left for a year or two after I got into it with Hoot, but it wasn't just Hoot, I had a lot going on in my life.  Whatever happened to BSB?

It's amazing to realize that it's been 7 years now, truly.

[Cynthia]

Thanks for that trip down memory lane BT.  I joined in either late 2001 or early 2002, mirstnkim talked me into it.  So many names there that aren't around anymore, where'd they all go?  I remember chat with kim, missus, you and brass, others would pop in once in awhile.  I left for a year or two after I got into it with Hoot, but it wasn't just Hoot, I had a lot going on in my life.  Whatever happened to BSB?

It's amazing to realize that it's been 7 years now, truly.

BSB is married and happily so, from what I know.
He is a good old vet. . .
Boston's blue blood best.

Blessings to David

[Cynthia]

Homeschoolers outperform public schools on standardized tests.


So, saying so makes it true, BT?

Prove that, please.

[BT]

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=5682.msg55400#msg55400

[Cynthia]

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=5682.msg55400#msg55400

I need more, BT.

Not enough data for proof. 

[Stray Pooch]

http://www.post41.com/members/homeschool.htm

This is truly spooky.  I was showing my wife some of my old parodies on amiright and I mentioned Post41.com.  I explained what it was and took her over to look at my old parodies from PIC.  I saw this article and was half-tempted to repost it here in this topic.  I come back here a few hours later and here it is.  Weird stuff.

[BT]

http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=5682.msg55400#msg55400

I need more, BT.

Not enough data for proof. 

http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/20000501homeschool5.asp

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/06/11/EDGKOP3DE31.DTL

http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp


Your turn.

[Cynthia]

No, still not enough, BT.

You haven't proven public education is not good enough.

You can post all the data you find, I will probably be able to find data that proves that home schooling isn't all it's cracked up to be...or the country would be teaching in the dens and living rooms in every neighborhood.

There are solid public schools in this country, and solid and well trained teachers.

There is so much data out there....I suppose I could find such for my "turn".

[BT]

You haven't proven public education is not good enough.

I believe i said homeschoolers on average outperform public school students. I provided sources which corroborated my assertion.

Perhaps if you have data that proves different, you can provide it.

[Cynthia]

You haven't proven public education is not good enough.

I believe i said homeschoolers on average outperform public school students. I provided sources which corroborated my assertion.

Perhaps if you have data that proves different, you can provide it.

I'll do my best, Bt..but I don't believe your data sources to be the precise and final answer.  There are so many studies on so many elements in the field of education.

 Out perform ps students...in all areas? Ok, if you say so...then why are we not setting up home schooling venues right and left?

Do you really believe that the public schools are that bad?

You seem to believe that the scores are evidence. There are ways around making grades shine, BT.
But, if that data proves your point...I am happy for you.
 

I'll do my best, Bt..but I don't believe your data sources to be the precise and final answer.  There are so many studies on so many elements in the field of education.

 Out perform ps students...in all areas? Ok, if you say so...then why are we not setting up home schooling venues right and left?

Do you really believe that the public schools are that bad?

You seem to believe that the scores are evidence. There are ways around making grades shine, BT.
But, if that data proves your point...I am happy for you.

[BT]

I'll do my best, Bt..but I don't believe your data sources to be the precise and final answer.  There are so many studies on so many elements in the field of education.

Perhaps it would be helpful if you focus on data and studies that refute the claim. That is the test at hand.