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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2008, 10:28:45 AM »
It has been said that Negro racism is oximoronic because there must be an element of power to enable racism. Thus the powerless would not be racist no metter their attitude .

The Reverend Wright would be a freind of the president if Obama wins , so could he be automaticdly converted ?

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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2008, 11:15:45 AM »
"I don't belong to a church with "all the different Christian denominations.
I belong to The Church"


What does that mean?
My point is still the same no matter what church you belong to.
The Christian faith has many denominations.
Even a non-denominational church is making a statement in and of itself.
The point being all the demoninations have a "different twist".
They come to a slightly different conclusion.
I suppose each of them think they have "found the way".
Hey whatever works for them or you.
People that spend their whole lives studying the bible don't agree.


"Otherwise it pays to pick up your Bible every once in a while if you really
want to know what Christ teaches and read the Gospels"


I have and do.
And I come to a different conclusion than you do.
But hey whatever works for you.

I tend to be pretty open-minded on people's spirituality unless
their religion motivates them to kill me like many in Islam want to do
because I am an "infidel".

"There's no point in discussing it if you don't bother to take that initial step"

I suggest you should quit ASSuming things you know nothing about.

Read Matthew

What like this?:

"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you"

Obviosuly translates into non-government help for people.
How could government help be a "secret".

No JS you cant do it the easy way.
You can't steal my money and give it the poor
and then feel all "warm & fuzzy" about yourself.

As you see thats not what Christ wants.
He doesn't want people forced by leftist governments.
He wants it to come from the heart.

Or maybe this?

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged"

Maybe you should refrain from calling people racist you know very little about.
Maybe you should not assume the worst until you know more of the story.

btw: Do you believe this statement in Matthew?
Matthew 19:9  "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife,
except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery
."


I'm not going to get into this as I want to show some support of Bt's
call that we make this place about substantive debate.


Oh but it's substantive to call/imply someone a racist you know very little about
and obviously can not back up.

But hey thats a great new cop-out for the Leftist.
Call somebody a racist and then pretend "your above it all".


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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2008, 11:23:39 AM »
And if he did?

It would prove my point.

Is that how you defend your actions or condemn his?

Defend my actions?
I don't have anything to defend.
I didn't say "God Damn America" or attend a church that proclaims such.

Yes it is one way to expose XO's bliind partisionship and prove my point.

Wright really isn't an issue. he's an opportunity

Yeah sure he isn't an issue.

If Hitler was his pastor I guess it still wouldn't be an issue?

Well we'll see if he is an issue won't we?

I agree Wright is an opportunity to prove my point.

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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2008, 11:40:16 AM »
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I agree Wright is an opportunity to prove my point.

I think you missed my point.


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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2008, 12:16:41 PM »
I think you missed my point.

Ok sorry, that is easy to do on the internet.



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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2008, 01:22:58 PM »
What does that mean?
My point is still the same no matter what church you belong to.
The Christian faith has many denominations.
Even a non-denominational church is making a statement in and of itself.
The point being all the demoninations have a "different twist".
They come to a slightly different conclusion.
I suppose each of them think they have "found the way".
Hey whatever works for them or you.
People that spend their whole lives studying the bible don't agree.

I'm Catholic, we do not have denominations. That is solely a Protestant phenomena. Your last sentence is correct, but theological discussions still have merit. The multiplicity of thought does not render theology useless, nor does it make all Biblical theory equivalent.


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I suggest you should quit ASSuming things you know nothing about.

An educated guess and I don't think it was that far off.

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"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you"

Obviosuly translates into non-government help for people.
How could government help be a "secret".

A bizarre conclusion from A to B, but perhaps 2 Peter 1:20 is something you should read?

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Maybe you should refrain from calling people racist you know very little about.
Maybe you should not assume the worst until you know more of the story.

If you read my comment I never said that you were racist. I said that your comment was racist, and it was.

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btw: Do you believe this statement in Matthew?
Matthew 19:9  "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife,
except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery
."

Yes.


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I'm not going to get into this as I want to show some support of Bt's
call that we make this place about substantive debate.


Oh but it's substantive to call/imply someone a racist you know very little about
and obviously can not back up.

 ::)

Read before going into full victim mode please.

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But hey thats a great new cop-out for the Leftist.
Call somebody a racist and then pretend "your above it all".

When I speak on Israel I repeatedly get called anti-Semitic and last time was told that I "wished to complete what Hitler started." So don't get too wrapped up in your victimhood.
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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2008, 01:24:37 PM »
I think Sirs made the statement that "there must be a lot of churches in the community." The notion of "church hopping" until you find a church you agree with is a modern (primarily Protestant Christian) idea. It is born from individualism where a moral philosophy must be acceptable to the individual and not where the individual must be challenged by a moral philosophy.  The problems are these: #1 is simply false logic. If XO is silent about CPUSA, it doesn't mean he automatically is a member. Nor does it mean the opposite, i.e. that he hates everything about them. Neither is a logical conclusion without more detail.

Let me put it this way, Js.  If a person attends a particular church, they attend largely because of the spiritual connection & growth they believe they're getting from it.  (yea, yea, and maybe the wife makes you go)  Point being if a pastor is presenting exceedingly hyperbolic, when not racist rhetoric, one has a choice.....leave to find a new congregation or not.  To Denounce said over-the top rhetoric, or not

Now, what would be the reasons for leaving and/or denouncing?  Already apparent, the leader of "your" congregation (read; NOT some minister from some distant state who you know nothing of) is facilitating racist dialogue, and injecting politics within the realm of what's supposed to remain spiritual

Now, what would be the reasons for staying and/or not denouncing?  There are many, and wideranging
- You agree with his rhetoric
- You don't wish to anger the pastor you chose to preside over your wedding
- You don't wish to anger your wife, who's making you go to church
- (add your own)

In any case, the latter staying scenarions demonstrates (to me) some serious problems Obama would have, as my President.  That he actually supports the racist and Ant-american mindset would be the worst case scenario.  But that he doesn't have the fortitude and conviction to face his pastor and tell him that his comments are wrong, that a segregated society is wrong, that advocating a Black value system over a more general moral value system is wrong

Yes, Wright isn't running for President, and if there weren't such an overt double standard in the MSM, this would not & should not be an issue.  But since we all know that if this were a Republican, the fit would be hitting the shan. So as such, I'm going to be throwing this up from time to time
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2008, 01:46:11 PM »
I wonder, if upon returning home from Sunday services, if Mr. & Mrs. Obama sit down with their daughters and tell them to ignore all that racist nonsense they just heard?

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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2008, 01:58:56 PM »
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I wonder, if upon returning home from Sunday services, if Mr. & Mrs. Obama sit down with their daughters and tell them to ignore all that racist nonsense they just heard?

My guess is Obama does, since he and his children are partially white.

Unless they are into self loathing.


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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2008, 01:59:21 PM »
rich look at this

Obama's "Blame America First" Pastor: The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.
"We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living
by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."


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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2008, 02:04:52 PM »
I'm Catholic, we do not have denominations. That is solely a Protestant phenomena. Your last sentence is correct, but theological discussions still have merit. The multiplicity of thought does not render theology useless, nor does it make all Biblical theory equivalent.

And Catholicism is demonination of Christianty.
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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2008, 02:12:28 PM »
A bizarre conclusion from A to B,

Bizarre? How so?
It clearly states repeatedly that it should be done "in secret".
How could forced charity through government be "in secret".

What is bizarre is for you to think forcing people to do charity
is somehow what Christ had in mind.

but perhaps 2 Peter 1:20 is something you should read?

Perhaps you should get Matthew down first before urging others
to read what you obviously don't grasp.


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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2008, 02:14:36 PM »
If you read my comment I never said that you were racist.

Oh quit playing games

I said that your comment was racist, and it was.

No it was not.
Please prove how it is racist?
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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2008, 02:20:48 PM »
"yes"

So if a man divorces a wife that has turned away from God,
a wife that lives a sinful life, a wife that is a thief,
a wife that abuses his children, a wife that is a crack head
and he remarries, he is committing adultery?
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Re: Obama's Pastor: "God Damn America"
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2008, 02:45:56 PM »
I wonder if the Hillary machine is behind the
timing of the Obama Pastor Scandal?


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