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Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« on: March 21, 2008, 12:54:50 PM »
Two Fired for Viewing Obama Passport File
State Department Investigating Whether Contractors Broke Law

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 21, 2008; Page A03

Two State Department employees were fired and a third has been disciplined for improperly accessing Sen. Barack Obama's passport file, the State Department announced last night.

Senior department officials said they learned of the incidents only when a reporter made an inquiry yesterday afternoon. They said an initial investigation indicated that the employees -- all of whom worked on contract -- were motivated by "imprudent curiosity."

Link:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/20/AR2008032003422.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

I'm not implying malice by the Administration.  I do question though, the benefits of domestic spying weighed against allegations such as these, and the ease with which the files were apparently accessed.

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 01:11:13 PM »
Apparently Hillary Clinton's passport files were viewed as well.

One has to wonder if mine has been viewed as well, and I'm just not famous enough for Condi to come and tell me...
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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 01:22:16 PM »
One has to wonder if mine has been viewed as well, and I'm just not famous enough for Condi to come and tell me...

That's my concern, though I can't tell if you're actually worried or are parodizing my paranoia  ;) .  Yes, there are chances that political figures could be influenced, but I'm more worried about identity theft and things of that nature.  It's not as though government is one of the more competent entities around.

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2008, 02:00:37 PM »
It's not as though government is one of the more competent entities around.

as a civil-servant I can confirm that as fact.

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2008, 02:01:13 PM »
No, not curious civil servants.
Rightwingers and future swiftboaters or people in their employ, looking for dirt.

It's what they do.
"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2008, 03:27:33 PM »
Looks like McCain's passport security was breached as well.

Guess the Republican operatives just did it to cover their tracks, right XO?
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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2008, 04:03:07 PM »
The Clintons got caught doing this , so did Nixon.

Are these imprudent researchers under orders from the administration?


Wouldn't be a first if so , but kinda dissapointing anyhow, the rules against this sort of abuse get clearer every time it happens.

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2008, 04:08:05 PM »
Guess the Republican operatives just did it to cover their tracks, right XO?

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Let's say you were a prospective swiftboater or a hireling of a swiftboater...Isn't that what you would do?
Perhaps a hireling of Romney, or Giulani, or one of the other candidates.

It does not sound like idle curiosity to me.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2008, 04:10:42 PM »
The Clintons got caught doing this , so did Nixon.

Where both their fingerprints on this? I do not recall this at all. I think you heard this on Rush...it sounds like one of his things.
I question the veracity, and especially the idea that both of them did it jointly.
How come you did not say "The Nixons"?
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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2008, 04:13:36 PM »
"...discovery at the whitehouse of 900 FBI files..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388825e8e.htm

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2008, 04:18:11 PM »
The Clintons got caught doing this , so did Nixon.

Where both their fingerprints on this? I do not recall this at all. I think you heard this on Rush...it sounds like one of his things.
I question the veracity, and especially the idea that both of them did it jointly.
How come you did not say "The Nixons"?




Aaahhh....

I suppose I could say the "Nixons" but I generally don't think of Mrs. Nixon as a Co-President , and I don't beleive that in his campaining Nixon ever claimed that the people would be getting two for one , nor did any of Mrs Nixons aides ever turn up complicit in such a scandal.

I don't know which first lady since Mrs Wilson could have claimed to have as much influence as Mrs Clinton seemed to. Isn't her campaign claiming she is "experienced"?

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2008, 04:56:34 PM »
"...discovery at the whitehouse of 900 FBI files..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388825e8e.htm
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No such file (query_article)

Was Hillary mentioned by the freeperfile, assuming there really is such a thing?
Just because she said the participated in some of Bill's presidency does not mean she was involved in everything.

I know Rush would not cut her some slack, but they pay him not to, and I doubt they bother to pay you.

In any event, FBI is not the State Dept., and no one should have done this. Saying Nixon and "the Clintons" did it does not mean it's okay for anyone else.

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 01:25:13 PM »
LOL.....how convenient.  She's intrumental and integral in working close with the president in all forms of policy making & decisions.....except of course when it's bad policy.  then its "just because she said the participated in some of Bill's presidency does not mean she was involved in everything"  Priceless.

Newsflash Xo, all those recent WH records released of her "integral actions in policy and high level meetings", as supposed qualifications for her ready to take charge on day 1. were nearly always as a 1st lady meeing with the other wives of the heads of state, putting together tea parties, and visiting museums.  Meaning, while Bill was actually doing the Presidential work of getting a blowj....I mean meeting with heads of state and forming policy, Hillary was doing what 1st ladies pretty much do.

Apparently the only areas she was instrumental in were in the utter failure of Healthcare reform, and in facilitating so many of the questionable midnight pardons Bill procured as they were exiting the WH.  Hardly prerequisates for running the country
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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 02:09:17 PM »

"Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?"

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Re: Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 03:34:13 PM »

"Tell Me Again Why Domestic Spying is Good?"



I see.  That is adequate justification for stripping away privacy rights of every citizen in this country?

Ever hear the saying, the cure is worse than the disease?