sympathy for the Clinton

[Plane]

"...most despicable, are simply racists as we saw in Kentucky who are voting for anyone but the black guy.

Does this voteing block amount to much?
I wouldn't think so except that I do see Barack Obama getting 97% of the black vote in some states .
So yes , most despicable.

[Brassmask]

Your flaw in that thinking process Brass, is that Obama has produced nothing of substance, outside of applying the word "change" in every other sentence he utters.  He has pledged no timetable for getting out of Iraq.  His political platform is nearly identical to Hillary's.  He's neither sponsored nor carried any major legislation as a Senator.  He's done squat.  He DOES speak a good liberal game, and has more speaking Chrasima than McCain & Hillary combined.  If it ever came down to substance, it's likely the voters would look elsewhere

I think that Obama's appeal (at least during this primary contest) has been the way he has conducted himself.  Honorably and honestly.  Clinton assumed she was the nominee from the beginning.  When it became clear that she was, in fact, NOT the presumptive nominee, she through the kitchen sink at Obama.  When the voters saw that, her numbers plummeted faster.

Obama, rather than bow to the sliming or get involved in it, called her out on it.  When someone tried to make the race about his pastor's sermons and crazy comments, Obama said what needed to be said and showed that he could unite.  When his pastor came out and specifically showed his ass, Obama denounced him.

Obama walked the gauntlet of the primary race and is in the lead.  He's passed the interview as far as I'm concerned.  His policies are beside the point, in my opinion because he will have to lead the country for everyone.  He'll spell out his policies once the general is in full swing.  You'll have plenty of time to whine and cry about how he wants to get out of Iraq by (whenever) after the convention is over.   (I feel confident that you will since for you it is all about what letter follows the candidate's name.)

Also, regarding some of your jabs at Obama.  Had Kennedy sponsored a bunch of wonderful legislation when he was elected president?  What was W's claim to fame in the 2000 primary race?  Something about he would be the guy most favored for beer buddy consumption?  At least Obama has been to NUMEROUS countries, whereas W had been to exactly ZERO.

Personally, I suspect that when we start seeing debates between McCain and Obama, people will not be able to constantly refer to this.

[Brassmask]

Does this voteing block amount to much?

If I remember right, last Wed morning, CNN told me that exit polling showed that 35% of Clinton voters said that race did play a factor in their vote. Imagine how many of those asked were not willing to answer honestly.

Of course, nationwide, that is obviously not the case but since on the very same day, Oregon did the exact opposite; however, this is people voting in the Democratic primary.  These polls do not factor in the more racist members of the GOP voters.

I wouldn't think so except that I do see Barack Obama getting 97% of the black vote in some states .
So yes , most despicable.

This will, I suppose, open up a whole 'nother line of nonsense from you guys but, in my opinion, it is not racist for African-Americans to be voting for Obama in such overwhelming numbers.  Race, one can assume, is definitely a major factor in their decision to vote for them but I can't blame them for one second.

Since given the right to vote blacks have had the opportunity to vote for white guy after white guy.  If we brand their support of an african-american candidate as racist, then we must brand Hillary's support from women sexist.  And that's just silly.

[Amianthus]

At least Obama has been to NUMEROUS countries, whereas W had been to exactly ZERO.

You do realize that this is a lie, right?

[Brassmask]

At least Obama has been to NUMEROUS countries, whereas W had been to exactly ZERO.

You do realize that this is a lie, right?

Oh?

Do tell.

[Brassmask]

I stand corrected but Bush is still a moron who should never have been installed as "president".

http://www.google.com/answers/threadview?id=427087

George W. Bush has never been much of a traveler. Before he assumed
the Presidency, his only major forays abroad were to Mexico, Israel,
and China. He made brief visits to a scattering of other countries.

"Bush's foreign travels have been limited to three visits to Mexico,
two trips to Israel, a three-day Thanksgiving visit in Rome with one
of his daughters in 1998 and a six-week excursion to China with his
parents in 1975 when his father was the U.S. envoy to Beijing."

http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/121600/gen_1216007443.shtml

A quote from CNN's Walter Rodgers:

"George W. Bush had only visited Mexico, Israel and China before
becoming president, and that was never an issue."

CNN Student News: Judy Woodruff's Inside Politics
http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0312/17/ip.00.html

"Critics often describe Bush as 'incurious' about the world, but that
word hardly does justice to what feels almost like a principled
provincialism. Here was someone who by age 13 was mingling in the
country-club set of Houston, who then went on to Andover, Yale and
Harvard Business School -- and did so in the age of cut-rate
international air fares -- and yet he rarely traveled abroad. Bush was
in his mid-20's when his father became ambassador to the United
Nations, and still he stayed home. He must have had to resist actively
his parents' blandishments. He visited China in 1975, when his father
was U.S. liaison; Gambia, at President Bush's behest, in 1990; and the
Middle East in 1998, when he had begun thinking about his own run for
the presidency. (He also traveled to Europe several times in the 90's
with the Young Presidents' Organization, a group for corporate
executives.)

People close to Bush dismiss his past as irrelevant; he has, they say,
both the experience and the character to direct the affairs of the
free world. Condoleezza Rice argues that as governor of Texas, Bush
gained a familiarity with foreign affairs from his dealings with
Mexico. 'He has on-the-ground experience there,' she says, 'which I
would say is much more valuable than if he had been attending seminars
at the Council on Foreign Relations for the last five years.' Rice
also turns the insularity argument on its head, arguing that the
president-elect 'comes at this as an American with very, very American
values.' These arguments seem reassuring mostly to Bush's own allies.
Many Europeans, for example, see the president-elect as an
all-American boob."

[from James Traub, "The Bush Years: W.'s World," New York Times
Magazine, 14 January 2001]

Mount Holyoke College
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/traub.htm

According to Bush staffers, George W. Bush had visited these countries
before becoming President:

Bermuda
Canada
China
Egypt
England
France
Gambia
Israel
Italy
Mexico
Scotland

"George was not exactly what you would call well-traveled. Campaign
staffers claimed that he had taken 'more than a dozen' trips outside
the U.S...

Bush made a month-long excursion to China while his father was
stationed there, which the New York Times summed up as 'trying to date
Chinese women (unsuccessfully) during a visit to Beijing in 1975.' He
had visited Israel and Egypt with the National Governors Association,
and also the African country of Gambia. Later on in the campaign, Bush
staffers claimed that he has also visited England, Scotland, and
Italy, as well as vacationed in France and Bermuda. This was not very
impressive to the people of Europe, who have to cross international
borders just to take their kids to Legoland."

Rotten.com: George W. Bush
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/

Google search strategy:

Google Web Search: "george w bush" president "trips outside the us"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22george+w+bush%22+president+%22trips+outside+the+us%22

Google Web Search: "george w bush" "before becoming president" "outside the us"
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22george+w+bush%22+%22before+becoming+president%22+%22outside+the+us%22

[Amianthus]

Oh?

Do tell.

I guess you don't bother to check your sources before making outrageous claims. Bush was the child of a wealthy family and the son of a US President. He had to have traveled when he was young. Believing a statement like yours is incredulous.

George W. Bush had visited these countries before becoming President:

Bermuda
Canada
China
Egypt
England
France
Gambia
Israel
Italy
Mexico
Scotland

http://www.google.com/answers/threadview?id=427087

[Amianthus]

I stand corrected but Bush is still a moron who should never have been installed as "president".

Again, his SAT scores alone are almost high enough to qualify him for Mensa. He's far from being a "moron."

[Brassmask]

Again, his SAT scores alone are almost high enough to qualify him for Mensa. He's far from being a "moron."

Oh bullshit.  The guy is a moron.  I can tell that from listening to him talk.

[Plane]

Since given the right to vote blacks have had the opportunity to vote for white guy after white guy.  If we brand their support of an african-american candidate as racist, then we must brand Hillary's support from women sexist.  And that's just silly.

Why is it silly to hold these diffrent people to the same standard?

Obama will not become president if white people behave as Black people do and vote strictly for color, Hillary might win with 97% of women voteing strictly for their own gender , female isn't really a minority.

By any standard that is fair to apply,  97% of American black people are demonstrateing an apalling sort of Racism, if you can't admit to that ,then quit complaining about 30% of Kentuckyans.

[Amianthus]

Oh bullshit.  The guy is a moron.  I can tell that from listening to him talk.

Then you must consider Stephen Hawking to be even dumber.

Intelligent people can have problems expressing themselves when speaking publicly. And real idiots can talk smoothly in front of crowds.

Or do you consider Obama to be a moron when he makes gaffs while speaking?

[Brassmask]

I don't remember "complaining" about Kentuckyans.

I was simply pointing it out.

[Plane]

I don't remember "complaining" about Kentuckyans.

I was simply pointing it out.

If you were pointing out their racism , can you not point out a group that demonstrates racism in precicely the same way , but three times as strongly?

[Brassmask]

If you were pointing out their racism , can you not point out a group that demonstrates racism in precicely the same way , but three times as strongly?

But if circumstances are different then yes, I can.

[Brassmask]

Oh bullshit.  The guy is a moron.  I can tell that from listening to him talk.

Then you must consider Stephen Hawking to be even dumber.

Intelligent people can have problems expressing themselves when speaking publicly. And real idiots can talk smoothly in front of crowds.

Or do you consider Obama to be a moron when he makes gaffs while speaking?

So, since you're comparing Stephen Hawking to George W Bush then are we to assume that W has some kind of physical defect that keeps him from speaking correctly or well?