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Michael Tee

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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2008, 02:44:50 AM »
Come on.  Jim Webb is synonymous with Dennis K?

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« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2008, 06:22:20 AM »
CU4 SEZ:

<<It goes to the core of liberalism
<<It's elitism
<<"We know whats best"
<<"The masses should shut the hell up and just follow our guidance">>

Damn liberals.  Thwarting the will of the people, time and again.  Bastids.

Here's an interesting poll on Iraq:

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
<<LA Times/Bloomberg Poll - June 19-23, 2008
<<"In your opinion, should the United States withdraw troops from Iraq right away, or should the U.S. begin bringing troops home within the next year, or should troops stay in Iraq for as long as it takes to win the war?"

<<Withdraw right away or begin within the next year - 68%
<<Stay as long as it takes - 26%>>

Now who do you think is more likely to follow the will of the people on Iraq, the God-damn elitist liberals or the "non-elitist" conservatives??
               

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I don't know about elesewhere but American Liberals don't listen to the people very well , it took three decades of telling them that the People like haveing their second admendment rights for them to start getting the idea.

I think Barak Obama got the idea just last week.

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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2008, 01:41:28 PM »
Do your complaints about "not listening to the people" extend to conservatives who don't listen to the people who want out of Iraq?  Or is it only liberals who don't listen to the people who are bad?  How about the Terry Schiavo case, where every poll indicated wide popular support for her husband's right to pull the plug, who wasn't listening to the people there?

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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2008, 01:44:04 PM »
It wasn't this Conservative
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2008, 02:41:41 PM »
Most of the teachers in this land of ours know better.

It's obvious that you lack a keen sense of what is really happening to children...overkill.
Testing-overkill


So, Bush is all about Kill. . . . NCLB is all for accountability. No problem with that. However, the devil remains dressed like a pig in the details.

The Reason you are unable to explan this stuff to us is that we are all graduates of the Public Schools of the U.S.A.


I certainly have explained my first hand experience on this issue, Plane. The topic was never resolved because the facts and numbers brought about by members here created a side bar circus show that clouded the real issues. We are over testing over children. Period. The public schools are not providing a quality education for kids because of the NCLB act. The "push" to raise scores and provide numbers for people like you has taken away from the child, in the end. That is what I see first hand.
I can't help that you didn't get a good education in the public schools, Plane.

The bottom line is this; If Obama can fix this broken system, I'll be happy as a clam that I voted for him.  If he can bring change with a logical and just assessment of the issues within the system, I am sure the children will be better off.


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« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2008, 02:51:52 PM »
Don't be stunned by setting yourself up for a major fall, Cynthia.  Obama can articulate to the point of women feinting, but has demonstrated no plan whatsoever to reform what's already been tried to be reformed countless of times.  And what's worse is the liberal mindset that to "fix it" we simply need to "invest" more $$$, and keep regurgitating references to class size, when that's already been tried to the nth degree, and look what its wrought, to date
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2008, 02:55:11 PM »
« Last Edit: July 03, 2008, 02:58:53 PM by Cynthia »

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« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2008, 03:02:03 PM »
My God, this man speaks the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsVimwm6xQ4&feature=related

Listen well. If you don't want to hear what he is saying as truth, that's your problem. He has learned more about the truth in this matter than any member here, (senior, hero or administrator)  with the exception of XO.

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« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2008, 03:06:01 PM »
Reform

Reform No Child Left Behind: Obama will reform NCLB, which starts by funding the law. Obama believes teachers should not be forced to spend the academic year preparing students to fill in bubbles on standardized tests. He will improve the assessments used to track student progress to measure readiness for college and the workplace and improve student learning in a timely, individualized manner. Obama will also improve NCLB's accountability system so that we are supporting schools that need improvement, rather than punishing them.
Make Math and Science Education a National Priority: Obama will recruit math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession and will support efforts to help these teachers learn from professionals in the field. He will also work to ensure that all children have access to a strong science curriculum at all grade levels.
Address the Dropout Crisis: Obama will address the dropout crisis by passing his legislation to provide funding to school districts to invest in intervention strategies in middle school - strategies such as personal academic plans, teaching teams, parent involvement, mentoring, intensive reading and math instruction, and extended learning time.
Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve one million more children.
Expand Summer Learning Opportunities: Obama's "STEP UP" plan addresses the achievement gap by supporting summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged children through partnerships between local schools and community organizations.
Support College Outreach Programs: Obama supports outreach programs like GEAR UP, TRIO and Upward Bound to encourage more young people from low-income families to consider and prepare for college.
Support English Language Learners: Obama supports transitional bilingual education and will help Limited English Proficient students get ahead by holding schools accountable for making sure these students complete school.
Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward America's Teachers
Recruit Teachers: Obama will create new Teacher Service Scholarships that will cover four years of undergraduate or two years of graduate teacher education, including high-quality alternative programs for mid-career recruits in exchange for teaching for at least four years in a high-need field or location.
Prepare Teachers: Obama will require all schools of education to be accredited. He will also create a voluntary national performance assessment so we can be sure that every new educator is trained and ready to walk into the classroom and start teaching effectively. Obama will also create Teacher Residency Programs that will supply 30,000 exceptionally well-prepared recruits to high-need schools.
Retain Teachers: To support our teachers, Obama's plan will expand mentoring programs that pair experienced teachers with new recruits. He will also provide incentives to give teachers paid common planning time so they can collaborate to share best practices.
Reward Teachers: Obama will promote new and innovative ways to increase teacher pay that are developed with teachers, not imposed on them. Districts will be able to design programs that reward accomplished educators who serve as a mentor to new teachers with a salary increase. Districts can reward teachers who work in underserved places like rural areas and inner cities. And if teachers consistently excel in the classroom, that work can be valued and rewarded as well.
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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #99 on: July 03, 2008, 03:45:22 PM »
Obama will create new Teacher Service Scholarships that will cover four years of undergraduate or two years of graduate teacher education, including high-quality alternative programs for mid-career recruits in exchange for teaching for at least four years in a high-need field or location.



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This doesn't sound like a good idea , why not have people who are already engineers or historians or palientologists teach without requireing a further degree?

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« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2008, 03:46:09 PM »
Don't be stunned by setting yourself up for a major fall, Cynthia.  Obama can articulate to the point of women feinting, but has demonstrated no plan whatsoever to reform what's already been tried to be reformed countless of times.  And what's worse is the liberal mindset that to "fix it" we simply need to "invest" more $$$, and keep regurgitating references to class size, when that's already been tried to the nth degree, and look what its wrought, to date

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Smaller class size has shown to benefit students nearly every time it has been tried.

Obama can't demonstrate anything until he is in office and has the power to put a plan in effect.

Compare what other, more successful countries do to improve education in percentage of the GDP and you will see that more money actually helps.

"Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana."

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« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2008, 04:04:09 PM »
This doesn't sound like a good idea , why not have people who are already engineers or historians or palientologists teach without requireing a further degree?

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It is certainly necessary to know how to read to be a reading teacher.

You should know how to play the piano to teach piano-playing, but a knowledge of how to read music is pretty much indispensable to being a good piano teacher.

You need to know how to speak English to be an English teacher. You don;t need to be literate to speak English, but unless you are literate, you will find teaching English to be as complicated and time-consuming a task as your students will find it complicated and time-consuming to learn.

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However, it is one thing to know how to do something and quite another to know how to teach it effectively. Teaching is in itself an art and a science. There are methods of teaching every subject effectively so that students will remember how to learn the subject effectively, and simply knowing the subject is not enough.


There are a very few people who are good at teaching what they know to others, but even they can be far better if they learn effective techniques from professional teachers of the subject in question.

In universities, professors are supposed to have absorbed teaching techniques from those who have taught them, but this is not really as effective as it could be. Mathematics is a field where teaching methodology is extremely useful.

Einstein and John Forbes Nash were excellent mathematicians, but were generally considered to be terrible at instructing undergraduates in the basics of their subjects, for example.
Might I add that whoever attempted to teach you to spell was singularly deficient in teaching how to spell the English language?
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Re: Obama perfect?
« Reply #102 on: July 03, 2008, 04:27:33 PM »
This doesn't sound like a good idea , why not have people who are already engineers or historians or palientologists teach without requireing a further degree?

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It is certainly necessary to know how to read to be a reading teacher.

You should know how to play the piano to teach piano-playing, but a knowledge of how to read music is pretty much indispensable to being a good piano teacher.

You need to know how to speak English to be an English teacher. You don;t need to be literate to speak English, but unless you are literate, you will find teaching English to be as complicated and time-consuming a task as your students will find it complicated and time-consuming to learn.

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However, it is one thing to know how to do something and quite another to know how to teach it effectively. Teaching is in itself an art and a science. There are methods of teaching every subject effectively so that students will remember how to learn the subject effectively, and simply knowing the subject is not enough.


There are a very few people who are good at teaching what they know to others, but even they can be far better if they learn effective techniques from professional teachers of the subject in question.

In universities, professors are supposed to have absorbed teaching techniques from those who have taught them, but this is not really as effective as it could be. Mathematics is a field where teaching methodology is extremely useful.

Einstein and John Forbes Nash were excellent mathematicians, but were generally considered to be terrible at instructing undergraduates in the basics of their subjects, for example.
Might I add that whoever attempted to teach you to spell was singularly deficient in teaching how to spell the English language?

Teaching is in itself an art and a science.


Exactly. Teaching requires knowledge of the individual client; (the student) and how he or she learns best. Teaching requires an understanding of the art of facilitation. Teaching requires understanding of how the brain learns. There's a great book on the topic; How The Brian Works by Leslie A. Hart.
 There's so much more to teaching than being skilled or trained in one particular subject area, like math, science, or even reading. Skilled musicians often have a difficult time teaching, as the performance gets in the way of the process.

Process is just as important as the final product.



Mathematics is a field where teaching methodology is extremely useful.


And even that methodology is changing. I enjoy teaching using this method. Educating takes on a whole new meaning with this form of math instruction.

http://mathforum.org/mathed/constructivism.html
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« Reply #103 on: July 03, 2008, 04:32:56 PM »
Don't be stunned by setting yourself up for a major fall, Cynthia.  Obama can articulate to the point of women feinting, but has demonstrated no plan whatsoever to reform what's already been tried to be reformed countless of times.  And what's worse is the liberal mindset that to "fix it" we simply need to "invest" more $$$, and keep regurgitating references to class size, when that's already been tried to the nth degree, and look what its wrought, to date

This is my candidate. Sirs, you have no idea. Listen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGow8ut5_34&feature=related


Yea, he "sounds" good.  He always has, that's his strength.  His weakness is in how he'd go about implimenting and paying for his ideals, coupled by his piss poor judgement & naivete with policy


Smaller class size has shown to benefit students nearly every time it has been tried.

So, why not class sizes of 1:1 for optimal benefit??  Point being spouting it as if it's not already being tried, and claiming we need more $$$ for it to happen, HAS been tried.  We spend.... upwards of $12,000+ per pupil in some states, spending more as a % of its GNP, compared to other places like Japan who routinely beat our kids in testing, and the left says we still need more to "invest in the children"


Obama can't demonstrate anything until he is in office and has the power to put a plan in effect.

He can demonstrate HOW it's to work, and HOW's to be payed for.  That's what he can do right NOW


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« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2008, 04:38:09 PM »
 His weakness is in how he'd go about implimenting and paying for his ideals, coupled by his piss poor judgement & naivete with policy

This sounds much more like Bush to me, Sirs.

AT least Obama is listening to the teachers of America, with common sense.

He's already a far better leader in my opinion, and I voted for BUSH!!!