The mask fell off John Kerry

[Amianthus]

heh-heh.  looks like Knute knows enough to expose these lying bastards for what they are.

If he knew, then why did he claim "None of the Swift Boat for Lies actually served with Kerry"? After all, "none" implies, well, "none."

Ami:  <<I don't think that any of them were bothered by Kerry untill he appeared before the Senate to lie his head off.>>

Interesting that you would mis-attribute yet another comment to me. Pattern of lies on your part?

[Plane]

Ami:  <<I don't think that any of them were bothered by Kerry untill he appeared before the Senate to lie his head off.>>

Interesting that you would mis-attribute yet another comment to me. Pattern of lies on your part?

Well I find it flattering

[Michael Tee]

<<Kerry was lieing , these lies were the foundation of his career.>>

You got it all wrong, plane.  Kerry told the truth about those bastards, their war crimes and their atrocities against the civilian population.  All of it.  That's why they hate him so much that they're willing to lie about his record.  He breached a code, in the military you are not supposed to rat on your brother officers even if they are Nazi-like scumbags who behave like the S.S. and worse.  Kerry had a conscience, he couldn't stomach any longer what they had been doing to the people of Viet Nam, and he finally went public with it.  And for that, they never forgave him.  He did the unthinkable.  He blew the whistle.

[BT]

Kerry was an opportunist who turned on his brothers for his own political advancement.

[Plane]

<<Kerry was lieing , these lies were the foundation of his career.>>

You got it all wrong, plane.  Kerry told the truth about those bastards, their war crimes and their atrocities against the civilian population.  All of it.  That's why they hate him so much that they're willing to lie about his record.  He breached a code, in the military you are not supposed to rat on your brother officers even if they are Nazi-like scumbags who behave like the S.S. and worse.  Kerry had a conscience, he couldn't stomach any longer what they had been doing to the people of Viet Nam, and he finally went public with it.  And for that, they never forgave him.  He did the unthinkable.  He blew the whistle.

But he was lieing with every word.
Because he was claiming to be a witness to all of these things , which he was not , neither had he ever met anyone who was .

He was the second level of Hearsay and should not have been poseing as a witness.

[Michael Tee]

<<Kerry was an opportunist who turned on his brothers for his own political advancement. >>

His "brothers" happened to be a bunch of fucking war criminals.

[BT]

His "brothers" happened to be a bunch of fucking war criminals.

Exceppt that none of the people he served with were ever accused of the atrocities he described. He was just repeating hearsay.

[Michael Tee]

<<Exceppt that none of the people he served with were ever accused of the atrocities he described. >> 

Oh, well that makes them all innocent, doesn't it?  I'm sure they're a fine bunch of humanitarians.

[BT]

Oh, well that makes them all innocent, doesn't it?

Well you know the old saying " Innocent until proven guilty"

Canadians have that saying too,  don't they?

[Michael Tee]

<<Well you know the old saying " Innocent until proven guilty"

<<Canadians have that saying too,  don't they?>>

Yeah, but we know where to use it - - in the criminal courts, when a man's conviction could result in jail time, heavy fines, and the stigma of a criminal record.  Where an acquittal does NOT mean that the man is innocent, only that guilt has not been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.  That's a legacy of an earlier time in the laws of England where there were over 250 offences that carried the death penalty and the courts wanted to be absolutely certain beyond reasonable doubt that they weren't hanging an innocent man.

None of us would be so foolish as to apply that standard anywhere outside the criminal courts.

[Plane]

<<Exceppt that none of the people he served with were ever accused of the atrocities he described. >> 

Oh, well that makes them all innocent, doesn't it?  I'm sure they're a fine bunch of humanitarians.

That is not what it does .

What it does is make it certain that Kerry is a liar.

No more than that.

[Plane]

<<Well you know the old saying " Innocent until proven guilty"

<<Canadians have that saying too,  don't they?>>

Yeah, but we know where to use it - - in the criminal courts, when a man's conviction could result in jail time, heavy fines, and the stigma of a criminal record.  Where an acquittal does NOT mean that the man is innocent, only that guilt has not been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.  That's a legacy of an earlier time in the laws of England where there were over 250 offences that carried the death penalty and the courts wanted to be absolutely certain beyond reasonable doubt that they weren't hanging an innocent man.

None of us would be so foolish as to apply that standard anywhere outside the criminal courts.

Would it be foolish to apply this standard to witnesses and accused before the Seante?

[Michael Tee]

<<That is not what it does .

<<What it does is make it certain that Kerry is a liar.

<<No more than that.>>

In the same way that the failure to prosecute lynch mobs made liars out of the people who claimed that their loved ones were lynched, so according to you does the failure to prosecute war criminals make liars out of their accusers.

You're sick, plane.  You're a sick man in a sick society in a sick country.  You can justify the most vile atrocities and villify those who speak out against them.  You should read your own fucking Bible sometime:  "Woe to those who call good evil and who call evil good."  You can slander Kerry all you like, he's the whistle-blower and the Swift Boat vets are the war criminals.

[Plane]

<<That is not what it does .

<<What it does is make it certain that Kerry is a liar.

<<No more than that.>>

In the same way that the failure to prosecute lynch mobs made liars out of the people who claimed that their loved ones were lynched, so according to you does the failure to prosecute war criminals make liars out of their accusers.

You're sick, plane.  You're a sick man in a sick society in a sick country.  You can justify the most vile atrocities and villify those who speak out against them.  You should read your own fucking Bible sometime:  "Woe to those who call good evil and who call evil good."  You can slander Kerry all you like, he's the whistle-blower and the Swift Boat vets are the war criminals.

Must you call him a whistle blower when he is lieing?


I am not speaking now about whether it is or isn't true that there was atrocity in Vietnam , that is a diffrent subject .

But Kerry was presenting himself as a witness , which he was not.

[Michael Tee]

<<But Kerry was presenting himself as a witness , which he was not.>>

Oh, please, plane, stop it already.  You've virtually admitted that there were atrocities in Viet Nam, and now you're attacking Kerry, a man who did his part to bring those atrocities to the attention of the American people, on the grounds that he claimed to be a witness when he wasn't a witness.  How petty can you get?  What's next, that he was inappropriately dressed when he addressed Congress?