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The mask fell off John Kerry
« on: November 05, 2006, 02:00:14 PM »
and he said what he really thought about our troops.

Here's Swift Vet John O'Neil and his thoughts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY-VomLVMug

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2006, 02:05:48 PM »
You needn't have bothered, R.R.  Most of us can figure out what O'Neill's "thoughts" on Kerry would have been.  They're like the "thoughts" of a pit bull when a baby rabbit is thrown into its pen, only a lot more vicious.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2006, 04:08:56 PM »
Kerry is not a victim, Tee. The titular head of the Democrat Party made a very insulting and dumb comment about our troops. He deserves every bit of scorn that he gets. I would advise that you watch the clip of O'Neil. He's spot on.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2006, 05:19:11 PM »
<<Kerry is not a victim, Tee. The titular head of the Democrat Party made a very insulting and dumb comment about our troops. He deserves every bit of scorn that he gets. I would advise that you watch the clip of O'Neil. He's spot on. >>

I was commenting more on O'Neill than on Kerry, R.R.  Kerry is dumb, dishonest (he's trying to lie his way out of this) and insensitive, although I don't think he was out to insult the troops.  He was a combatant like them and any insult to that status would be an insult to himself.  I think that he just wasn't sensitive enough or smart enough to see in time that the "joke" he was about to make to the students would necessarily reflect unfavourably on the troops going to Iraq.

Kerry is certainly not a victim.  He's being skewered, as he deservest to be, for his  insensitivity and stupidity.  But O'Neill is a Kerry-hating opportunist who's milking this little episode for all it's worth and while it might be beneficial to observe the style of his presentation, it's just not worth looking into for content.  The content I could put together myself right here at this keyboard. 

In the big picture, Kerry's on the right side and O'Neill is on the wrong one.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2006, 07:36:14 PM »
" But O'Neill is a Kerry-hating opportunist who's milking this little episode for all it's worth and while it ...."



And how did Kerrys Vietnam Vet Bunkmates become Kerry Hating ?

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2006, 09:57:49 PM »
<<And how did Kerrys Vietnam Vet Bunkmates become Kerry Hating ?>>

Don't forget, Kerry was a whistle-blower - - he really exposed U.S. atrocities in Viet Nam.  These guys are probably war criminals.  They like Kerry about as much as an S.S. torture chamber operator would like a brother S.S.  officer who blew the whistle on him.  That's kinda breaking the code.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2006, 10:51:15 PM »
" But O'Neill is a Kerry-hating opportunist who's milking this little episode for all it's worth and while it ...."



And how did Kerrys Vietnam Vet Bunkmates become Kerry Hating ?
None of the Swift Boat for Lies actually served with Kerry
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Submerging the truth about Swift Boat Vets on Hannity & Colmes, Scarborough Country

Summary:

FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes and MSNBC's Scarborough Country both gave free airtime on August 4 to a new, misleading ad sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a recently formed group dedicated to attacking Senator John Kerry's record during and after his service in Vietnam. Both programs devoted segments to the ad, airing it the day before its scheduled release, but left out key facts that discredit Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not serve alongside Kerry

In the new ad, members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claim that they "served with John Kerry." Hannity & Colmes co-host Sean Hannity echoed the false claim, saying that the veterans in the ad are "the people that know him best," and referred to them as "some of his fellow crewmates." Even Pat Halpin, who was filling in for co-host Alan Colmes, called them "some of John Kerry's crewmates." Scarborough echoed Swift Boat Veterans' misleading claim that they "served with John Kerry in Vietnam."

While the veterans attacking Kerry in the ad are veterans of the Vietnam War and may have served at the same time as Kerry, as The New York Times reported on August 5, the Kerry campaign noted that "none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 6, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally."

In contrast, many of the veterans who have appeared on the campaign trail with Kerry did serve alongside him. The Wall Street Journal's Albert R. Hunt noted in his August 5 "Campaign Journal" column, titled "Sham Charges Against a War Hero" (subscription required): "Indeed, 10 of the 11 men who served on his two swift boats all have sworn by John Kerry; nine living members were in Boston [for the Democratic National Convention]."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's Republican ties

As Media Matters for America previously noted, on May 4, Salon.com's Joe Conason detailed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's ties to the Republican Party. In addition to pointing out that the group's founder, John O'Neill, has long-standing ties to the GOP that can be traced back to the Nixon administration, Conason also reported that among the people behind Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact."

As MMFA has documented, both Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes (on May 28) and FOX chief political correspondent Carl Cameron (on May 4) reported the group's Republican ties on FOX News Channel; on May 4, Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the Nixon administration. While Scarborough did mention on August 4 that the group was part of the "Republican counteroffensive" "prepar[ing] to release blistering attacks in John Kerry's Vietnam record," Hannity completely ignored the group's ties to the GOP.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth doctor did not sign Kerry's medical record

Neither Hannity nor Scarborough bothered to note that Dr. Louis Letson, who is featured in the ad claiming to have treated Kerry for the wound that earned him his first Purple Heart and claiming that it was undeserved, was not the medical official who signed Kerry's medical records for the wound. The Kerry campaign noted this fact in a report in The New York Times and a report in the Los Angeles Times that surfaced when Letson first unleashed this attack in May.

In criticizing the ad, McCain told the Associated Press, "'It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me'... referring to his [McCain's] bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush," according to the AP. As Conason reported on May 4, "The 'swift boat' veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago." Conason explained that Spaeth (the group's media contact) participated during the 2000 Republican primary contest in TV ads that "falsely attack[ed]" McCain's environmental record in California, New York, and Ohio.

McCain might have been referring as well to attacks on his military record by Ted Sampley and Thomas Burch, both Vietnam veterans, during the 2000 primary season. As Media Matters for America previously reported, Sampley hounded McCain as a "Manchurian Candidate" -- suggesting that the decorated veteran and former prisoner of war was a brainwashed communist agent -- and was convicted for misdemeanor assault related to an attack on one of McCain's legislative aides. Sampley is the leader of a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. During the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina, Burch, according to a February 22 report in the Chicago Tribune, "stood with George W. Bush at his side and accused Sen. John McCain of Arizona of opposing health care for Persian Gulf war veterans and blocking efforts to locate POW-MIAs, saying the former prisoner of war "came home from Vietnam and forgot us."

— K.B. & N.C.

Posted to the web on Thursday August 5, 2004 at 4:08 PM EST

http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200408050007

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2006, 11:06:29 PM »
Hey, good post, Knute.  It figures - - if these guys are war criminals, they'd also have to be accomplished liars and bullshit artists as well.  They probably have enormous experience lying with a straight face and a convincing manner which would be invaluable to the RNC and gets them lots of media attention.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2006, 11:21:40 PM »
Hey, good post, Knute.  It figures - - if these guys are war criminals, they'd also have to be accomplished liars and bullshit artists as well.  They probably have enormous experience lying with a straight face and a convincing manner which would be invaluable to the RNC and gets them lots of media attention.

Yeah, well, Knutty is not so familiar with the truth either. Stephen Gardner (one of the members of the group) served on Kerry's crew.
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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2006, 11:38:37 PM »
The Swift Boats were not fitted out with long term bearthing.


All of the Officers lived together in a sort of Dorm most of the time.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2006, 12:23:54 AM »
The Swift Boats were not fitted out with long term bearthing.


All of the Officers lived together in a sort of Dorm most of the time.

Are you claiming they had "pillow talk" in which Kerry admitted not deserving his medals. Even the one loser who did briefly serve with Kerry, Steve Gardner admitted not being there when he did what he did to earn  his medals.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408240001


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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2006, 12:28:36 AM »
The Swift Boats were not fitted out with long term bearthing.


All of the Officers lived together in a sort of Dorm most of the time.

Are you claiming they had "pillow talk" in which Kerry admitted not deserving his medals. Even the one loser who did briefly serve with Kerry, Steve Gardner admitted not being there when he did what he did to earn  his medals.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408240001




I am saying that he was not isolated from the other swift boat crews .

They did know each other well and only seldom operated as a single boat.

I don't think that any of them were bothered by Kerry untill he appeared before the Senate to lie his head off.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2006, 12:31:34 AM »
Ami  <<Yeah, well, Knutty is not so familiar with the truth either. Stephen Gardner (one of the members of the group) served on Kerry's crew.>>

Knute: << Even the one loser who did briefly serve with Kerry, Steve Gardner admitted not being there when he did what he did to earn  his medals.>>

heh-heh.  looks like Knute knows enough to expose these lying bastards for what they are.

Ami:  <<I don't think that any of them were bothered by Kerry untill he appeared before the Senate to lie his head off.>>

Expose their fucking war crimes is more like it.  That'd piss me off, too - - if I were a war criminal.

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Re: The mask fell off John Kerry
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2006, 04:01:02 AM »
Expose their fucking war crimes is more like it.  That'd piss me off, too - - if I were a war criminal.


Kerry is a War criminal?


Kerry was lieing , these lies were the foundation of his career.

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The Balls fell of Juniorbush
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2006, 07:37:21 AM »
The actual LIAR was Sockpuppet Juniorbush, who lied about his being a DESERTER.

The Swiftboat assholes are a bunch of Fascist clowns still whimpering about their losing in Vietnam. They swallowed all the JBK Nixon propaganda and still think that there was some reason for them to have been suckered into a losing, unwinnable war by elist sumbitches who stayed out and saved their worthless butts, like Rove, Juniorbush and Cheney.

The US had nothing to win in Vietnam. They didn't deserve to win, either.
But the one clear winner was the Arms Industry, currently personified by the cowardly Dickhead Cheney.
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