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Kramer

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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2008, 02:41:35 AM »
<<What is one mans fear is another mans security. >> 

You're just playing with words, Kramer.  The basic emotion behind a craving for security is fear.  If you're not afraid of anything you don't need any security.

McCain's campaign is based on the need for an "experienced" (therefore strong) Commander-in-Chief; and conversely the need to avoid getting an "inexperienced" (i.e., weak) C-in-C.  If this were a war on elephants or a war on Bad Breath, nobody in his right mind would give a shit who the Commander in Chief was or how experienced or inexperienced he was.  The only reason the voters are supposed to care about this is because "terrorists" are a mortal danger to Americans and their families.  A strong comander in chief will "defeat" the "terrorists" and prevent them from hurting you.  A weak commander in chief will NOT defeat the "terrorists," which leaves you and your family vulnerable.

McCain's campaign is that he'll be a good commander-in-chief and Obama won't.  So he can protect you and your family and Obama can't.  So - - you're protected if most of you vote for McCain and you're not protected if most of you vote for Obama. 

Now you can call that an appeal to "security" if you like, but "security" is not a basic emotion.  The basic emotion behind the need for security is FEAR.  When McCain says he can keep you safe as C-in-C, but Obama can't, that is appealing directly to the voters' FEAR.   Vote for Obama and the incompetent schmuck will allow the "terrorists" to overrun the country, poisoning the food supplies, blowing up the school buses, pissing in the wells.  We're all fucked.  Vote for McCain and the "war hero" will take charge of the army, turn them on the "terrorists" and whip their ass forever and we'll all live happily ever after.  It's really a no-brainer.  You wanna die with your family in a "terrorist" explosion or wouldja rather go out for ice cream with your family without ever having to even think about bombings?  THAT is what I meant when I said that McCain's campaign is based on fear.

Mikey,

When was the last time 92% of caucasion's were in favor of a particular candidate? How do you explain this kind of support? White guilt is a fear.

Normal people don't vote for race -- we vote for the best choice.

You see Mikey, Dems are scared people that vote based on emotion and scared is an emotion.


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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2008, 02:47:20 AM »
<<Cool quotes for me to use about Putin and the Fearfull Russians.>>

? ? ?  It took you until now to realize that the Russians are afraid of foreign invasions?? 

They have BEEN invaded.  Several times within living memory.  Tens of millions of them have been killed.  They have every right to fear foreign invasion.    They lived through it.

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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2008, 03:05:59 AM »
<<Cool quotes for me to use about Putin and the Fearfull Russians.>>

? ? ?  It took you until now to realize that the Russians are afraid of foreign invasions?? 

They have BEEN invaded.  Several times within living memory.  Tens of millions of them have been killed.  They have every right to fear foreign invasion.    They lived through it.

Not the current generation , they have no moreof their "greatest Generation" than we do.


What they have lived through was a complete deconstruction of the system that relied on their fear , their vunerability was total and what did we do about it?

Nothing of course , Invadeing Russia would be bad for business in a big way , even destroying them from afar is bad business.

Persuedeing them to Join NATO , that would be good business.


Unfortunately Demigogues and Imperailists seem to be on the uptic. Imperialism has been obsolete for more than a century , some one should tell them .

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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2008, 03:14:07 AM »
no one deserves to be president unless they win the election.

No one deserves to be president because they are black or female or a senior senator or military hero.

no one deserves to be president because they vanquished formidable opponents in the primaries.

They only deserve to be president if they win the election.

And in Florida, Bush won the election.

If Obama wins the election, then he deserves it and not until then.

Deserving to be President is not about qualifications or right time right place. It isn't about birthright,

It is about meeting the requirement to be sworn in, which is to win the election.

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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2008, 04:17:49 AM »
<<they have no moreof their "greatest Generation" than we do.>>

You know, plane, I myself have some homefront memories of WWII.  There are plenty of us around.  The difference would be, if I were in Russia, my memories of the war would be pretty grim.  My kids would know my story like it was their own.  Their friends' parents would have similar stories, and know them as well as my kids would know mine.  I spent three weeks in Moscow apartment about 15 years ago.  I remember waking up the first day, looking out the window at three huge apartment buildings just like the one I was in, hundreds, maybe thousands of windows and thinking - - behind each window there's a different story of the German invasion.  And when I mentioned this to our hostess, a young woman in her twenties, she nodded vigorously - - every one of them has a story, even those that weren't born then.

<<What they have lived through was a complete deconstruction of the system that relied on their fear , their vunerability was total and what did we do about it? . . . >>

plane, that is just not true.  With all due respect, you're talking about a very small minority of the population, the Solzhenitsyn's and their right-wing ideological friends, the political junkies with all of their smart-ass criticisms of the state, the Jews who wanted out - - maybe those folks lived in fear, they had opinions they were afraid to disclose, sure.  Most people weren't involved.

<< . . . Nothing of course , Invadeing Russia would be bad for business in a big way , even destroying them from afar is bad business.>>

Especially since they can destroy YOU from afar too.

<<Persuedeing them to Join NATO , that would be good business.>>

How is it good business to persuade one small country to threaten one big country?  Whose business is that good for? 

<<Unfortunately Demigogues and Imperailists seem to be on the uptic. Imperialism has been obsolete for more than a century , some one should tell them .>>

Your comments are kind of surrealistic, coming from a right-wing American.  If imperialism has been obsolete for over a century, what were you doing in Viet Nam?  What are you doing in Iraq?  Who should tell YOU?

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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2008, 02:40:36 PM »
I've looked at this from every angle, and I only see one conclusion: ...


Which of course is based on a terminal anti McSame, anti Bush, anti Republican bias........so, what would that supposedly "objective" conclusion be now...........?


...with this one appointment, McCain has shot himself in the foot - - fatally....Long and short of it:  McCain blew it.

Wow.......what a stunning revelation, given the source      :D


McCain's campaign rests on two primary emotions, hate and fear. 

And when one starts with a false premise, no need to follow-on.  See, it's not hard at all Tee.  It just flows from you like a babbling brook.  Thanks, for more of the entertaining hyperbole


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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2008, 03:19:05 PM »
I'd point out that almost Miss Alaska is a state governor. On the strength of that, she has more executive experience than Messrs. Obama, Biden and McCain put together.

ding ding......give that man a cigar     8)
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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2008, 06:54:19 PM »
Your comments are kind of surrealistic, coming from a right-wing American.  If imperialism has been obsolete for over a century, what were you doing in Viet Nam?  What are you doing in Iraq?  Who should tell YOU?


Not imperialism.


No ambition to take territory or resorces is defensable in those circumstances , confrontation with an evil that opresses the aspiration of mankind for freedom explains it so well that millions of Americans volenteer to join the effort.

Empire? Who woud join the Imperial American army? That appeal would not fill the Coast Guard.


In Russia on the other hand Putin is running the government from outside the office and is getting huge approval rateings , I understand this from our own history , it is a period of Manifest destiny .

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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2008, 08:02:08 PM »
Purely opinion of course, but it sure seems to be validated time and time again.  That being;

If someone from the hard left hyperbolically condemns X, I can pretty much count on X being a good thing. 

If someone from the hard left staunchly claims X about republicans, conservatives, Christians, or some individual that fits those labels, I can pretty much count on said accusation being so wrong, as to be a bald faced lie

If someone from the hard left is singing the praises of X, I can pretty much bank on it not just being bad for Conservative principals, but likely America as well, if not globally

That'd be for the most part of course.  I'm sure there must be thos rarified instances where both the left & right will condemn X, almost equally.  Alas, not many
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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2008, 12:07:26 AM »
no one deserves to be president unless they win the election.

No one deserves to be president because they are black or female or a senior senator or military hero.

no one deserves to be president because they vanquished formidable opponents in the primaries.

They only deserve to be president if they win the election.

And in Florida, Bush won the election.

If Obama wins the election, then he deserves it and not until then.

Deserving to be President is not about qualifications or right time right place. It isn't about birthright,

It is about meeting the requirement to be sworn in, which is to win the election.

Obama deserves to be the next president of the United States.

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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2008, 12:21:08 AM »
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Obama deserves to be the next president of the United States.

Is it his birthright?

Is he entitled?

Will it be a gross injustice if he loses?

Obama does not DESERVE to be president.

Neither does McCain.

The person who DESERVES to be president is the one who wins.



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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2008, 02:02:17 AM »
<<[What was America doing in Viet Nam?  In Iraq?  Not imperialism.>>

I say that imperialism is not an explanation, it is the ONLY explanation of what America was doing in Viet Nam AND Iraq.


<<No ambition to take territory or resorces is defensable in those circumstances ,>>

It might not be defensible, but that does not stop it from being what you did in Viet Nam and are doing in Iraq.

<<confrontation with an evil that opresses the aspiration of mankind for freedom explains it so well that millions of Americans volenteer to join the effort.>>

It explains nothing.  The "evil" that you were "confronting" in Vietnam was a communist-led nationalist movement that had the support -- according to Eisenhower himself, who decided to back the puppet South Vietnamese governement in its refusal to hold fair elections - - of 80% of the population of South Vietnam.  EISENHOWER said 80%, I didn't.  You had a French-occupied zone of Viet Nam which by treaty was obligated to hold elections , an unelected government of former French civil servants took it over and refused to hold elections, and EISENHOWER backed them, using the justification that if elections were held, 80% of the South Vietnamese would vote for Ho Chi Minh.

That's a great reason to block elections - - because you don't like the guy who's got the most votes.  But it's sure typical of American policy, only they're not usually so honest about it.

Usually they are like plane, and raise some phony claim, "Oh we are doing it because they have WMD and we are in great danger from them," or in the case of Viet Nam, "Oh they are so evil that we must confront them and stop them."  The fucking NAZIS were so evil, yet the U.S.A. made NO attempt to attack them or overthrow their government.  The Trujillo government in the DR, the Batista government in Cuba and the Somoza government in Nicaragua were also "so evil" yet the U.S.A. did not attack THEM, they supported them to the end.  If the Viet Minh really WERE as evil as the U.S. government claimed they were, the U.S. would not have "confronted" them, they would have supported them.

So thank you for your explanation that the U.S. in Viet Nam was not practising imperialism, but was "confronting" "evil."  Rarely do I hear such ridiculous bullshit, but I thank you for publishing it because it's a pleasure to denounce it and demonstrate the absurdity of it.

<<Empire? Who woud join the Imperial American army? That appeal would not fill the Coast Guard.>>

Strange.  And yet the Imperial American army IS filled, as is the Coast Guard.  Who fills it?  I have already told you who I think fills it, lowlife scum, killers, thugs, rapists, sadists and bullies, guys who in Ontario we used to call seven year men, i.e., it took them seven years to get through five years of high school.  The so-called low-hanging fruit.

And now I think I'll tell ya who I REALLY think fills it:  poor kids, green card wannabes, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Salvadorans, Hondurans, kids looking for adventure, patriotic kids, kids who want to blow people's heads off or torture them with a knife, kids from military families, rapists and perverts, Southerners, minority kids looking for a way out; and I'll even tell ya who DOESN'T fill the Imperial American Army:  A-students from good schools, rich kids, Congressmen's kids, Bush administration kids, children of neocons, and the children of the CEOs, CFOs and CIOs of the Fortune 500 and kids with scholarships from Ivy league schools.
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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2008, 02:20:49 AM »
Biden's son is deploying this month.

Palin's son in October.

Webb's son was there.

McCain's son has served.

You are on a roll for being wrong.


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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2008, 04:02:44 AM »
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Re: conservatives react to Palin
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2008, 11:52:35 AM »
Biden's son is deploying this month.

Palin's son in October.

Webb's son was there.

McCain's son has served.

You are on a roll for being wrong.
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No, I knew you were going to raise those examples - - you fell right into the trap - - their rarity only proves the truth of what I am saying.  Hundreds of Congressmen, a group of serving sons I can count on the fingers of one hand.  Thanks, sucker.  And thanks to Little Sir Echo, too.