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Strength. Courage. Humility. Wisdom. Duty. Honor.
« on: September 03, 2008, 11:52:38 AM »
On October 26, 1967, on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, a surface-to-air missile slammed into John's A-4 Skyhawk jet, blowing it out of the sky.

When John ejected, part of the plane hit him -- breaking his right knee, his left arm, his right arm in three places.

An angry mob got to him.

A rifle butt broke his shoulder.

A bayonet pierced his ankle and his groin.

They took him to the Hanoi Hilton, where he lapsed in and out of consciousness for days. He was offered medical care for his injuries if he would give up military information in return.

John McCain said "No".

After days of neglect, covered in grime, lying in his own waste in a filthy room, a doctor attempted to set John's right arm without success ... and without anesthesia.

His other broken bones and injuries were not treated. John developed a high fever, dysentery. He weighed barely a hundred pounds.

Expecting him to die, his captors placed him in a cell with two other POWs who also expected him to die.

But with their help, John McCain fought on.

He persevered.

So then they put him in solitary confinement...for over two years.

Isolation ... incredible heat beating on a tin roof. A light bulb in his cell burning 24 hours a day.

Boarded-up cell windows blocking any breath of fresh air.

The oppressive heat causing boils the size of baseballs under his arms.

The outside world limited to what he could see through a crack in a door.

We hear a lot of talk about hope.

John McCain knows about hope. That's all he had to survive on. For propaganda purposes, his captors offered to let him go home.

John McCain refused.

He refused to leave ahead of men who'd been there longer.

He refused to abandon his conscience and his honor, even for his freedom.

He refused, even though his captors warned him, "It will be very bad for you."

They were right.

It was.

The guards cracked ribs, broke teeth off at the gums. They cinched a rope around his arms and painfully drew his shoulders back.

Over four days, every two to three hours, the beatings resumed. During one especially fierce beating, he fell, again breaking his arm.

John was beaten for communicating with other prisoners.

He was beaten for NOT communicating with so-called "peace delegations."

He was beaten for not giving information during interrogations.

When his captors wanted the names of other pilots in his squadron, John gave them the names of the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers.

Whenever John was returned to his cell -- walking if he could, dragged if he couldn't -- as he passed his fellow POWs, he would call out to them.

He'd smile ... and give them a thumbs-up.

For five-and-a-half years this went on.

John McCain's bones may have been broken but his spirit never was.

Now, being a POW certainly doesn't qualify anyone to be President.

But it does reveal character.

This is the kind of character that civilizations from the beginning of history have sought in their leaders.

Strength.

Courage.

Humility.

Wisdom.

Duty.

Honor.

It's pretty clear there are two questions we will never have to ask ourselves, "Who is this man?" and "Can we trust this man with the Presidency?"

Michael Tee

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2008, 12:07:30 PM »
Any witnesses to all of this "torture?"

We know he was beaten up pretty badly by the folks who apprehended him, but I'll tell ya, if you've ever seen pictures of napalm victims, especially the children (Ramparts Magazine published them in 1967 or 1968) you'd know this guy barely got what he deserved.

But who. apart from John McCain, witnessed all this "horrible torture" in prison?  His former guard was interviewed in Viet Nam.  I posted the link before.  He says he liked McCain and would even vote for him today, that McCain was very patriotic and always stuck up for his country.  He also says that McCain was never tortured.

So who's telling the truth?  Where are the eye-witnesses?

Sure, McCain appears to be injured.  But all the injuries are physically consistent with being hurt in a plane crash and then abused by an angry mob of the victims of his own war crimes.

The article was also silent about the broadcasts that McCain is known to have made from Viet Nam in order to secure better treatment for himself.  Reminding me, where are the tapes?  Somebody's got them.  If McCain were a Democrat, those tapes would be all over the MSM by now, but there seems to be a conspiracy of silence about the McCain broadcasts from Viet Nam.  Never happened.  Never existed.  Scary.

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2008, 12:13:25 PM »
Any witnesses to all of this "torture?"

We know he was beaten up pretty badly by the folks who apprehended him, but I'll tell ya, if you've ever seen pictures of napalm victims, especially the children (Ramparts Magazine published them in 1967 or 1968) you'd know this guy barely got what he deserved.

But who. apart from John McCain, witnessed all this "horrible torture" in prison?  His former guard was interviewed in Viet Nam.  I posted the link before.  He says he liked McCain and would even vote for him today, that McCain was very patriotic and always stuck up for his country.  He also says that McCain was never tortured.

So who's telling the truth?  Where are the eye-witnesses?

Sure, McCain appears to be injured.  But all the injuries are physically consistent with being hurt in a plane crash and then abused by an angry mob of the victims of his own war crimes.

The article was also silent about the broadcasts that McCain is known to have made from Viet Nam in order to secure better treatment for himself.  Reminding me, where are the tapes?  Somebody's got them.  If McCain were a Democrat, those tapes would be all over the MSM by now, but there seems to be a conspiracy of silence about the McCain broadcasts from Viet Nam.  Never happened.  Never existed.  Scary.

Again I musty say you don't live in the real world, meaning you live in a fantasy world. You might have a chipmunk come to your backdoor every now and then but to not KNOW that the NV captors tortured prisoners is like not knowing Iran is building NUKES. Your mind is either closed to certain facts or you are seriously flawed in your ability to coherently assess truth from fiction.

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2008, 12:40:54 PM »
Yo Tee, care to cite some credible witnesses who referenced how staying at the Hanio Hilton was largely like staying at the Marriot?  There has to be some POW that can corroborate how life was all peaches & cream
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2008, 02:02:13 PM »
Yo Tee, care to cite some credible witnesses who referenced how staying at the Hanio Hilton was largely like staying at the Marriot?  There has to be some POW that can corroborate how life was all peaches & cream

Swiftboating is some BS, isn't it?

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2008, 02:07:59 PM »
Yo Tee, care to cite some credible witnesses who referenced how staying at the Hanio Hilton was largely like staying at the Marriot?  There has to be some POW that can corroborate how life was all peaches & cream

Swiftboating is some BS, isn't it?


Anything you or tee say isn't swiftboating, it's just a couple of kooks with computers.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2008, 02:23:14 PM »
<< . . but to not KNOW that the NV captors tortured prisoners is like not knowing Iran is building NUKES. Your mind is either closed to certain facts or you are seriously flawed in your ability to coherently assess truth from fiction. >>

Yeah, yeah, right, everyone knows, but getting back to my original question:  WHERE ARE THE WITNESSES?

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2008, 02:25:03 PM »
<< . . but to not KNOW that the NV captors tortured prisoners is like not knowing Iran is building NUKES. Your mind is either closed to certain facts or you are seriously flawed in your ability to coherently assess truth from fiction. >>

Yeah, yeah, right, everyone knows, but getting back to my original question:  WHERE ARE THE WITNESSES?

google

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 02:36:27 PM »
Yo Tee, care to cite some credible witnesses who referenced how staying at the Hanio Hilton was largely like staying at the Marriot?  There has to be some POW that can corroborate how life was all peaches & cream

Swiftboating is some BS, isn't it?

So, apparently there are none.  Fascinating, yet not surprising
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 02:41:20 PM »
<<google>>

I REALLY do not think you want to go there.  I did Google "eyewitness McCain torture" and the first screen without scrolling to the bottom revealed NO stories disclosing any eyewitness to McCain's alleged "torture" but did turn up two eyewitness stories that indicated McCain was lying about his "torture."

So, now for the third time, I ask:

WHERE ARE THE EYE-WITNESSES to McCain's lurid tales of "torture?"

WHERE ARE THE EYE-WITNESSES?

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 02:41:53 PM »
Yo Tee, care to cite some credible witnesses who referenced how staying at the Hanio Hilton was largely like staying at the Marriot?  There has to be some POW that can corroborate how life was all peaches & cream

Swiftboating is some BS, isn't it?

So, apparently there are none.  Fascinating, yet not surprising

I guess someone should publish a book called Goggle for Morons then he might look up the answers.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 02:52:13 PM »
Google for Morons, Goggle for Morons, what's the difference?  So far us morons ain't seen no eye-witnesses to the torture of napalm bomber John Insane and his own jailer denies it.

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 02:55:34 PM »
Apparently Tee's gonna take the eye-witness testimony of a former SS soldier under Hitler, proclaiming how good the jews really had it, in their "camps"
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 03:09:30 PM »
<<Apparently Tee's gonna take the eye-witness testimony of a former SS soldier under Hitler, proclaiming how good the jews really had it, in their "camps">>

Don't  have to.  Plenty of eye-witnesses, plenty of films, plenty of documentation.

But, getting back to McCain, WHERE ARE THE EYE-WITNESSES TO HIS "TORTURE?"

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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 03:12:34 PM »
So, no names, no one besides this lone SS jailor,..oops I mean HH jailor as the only "witness" to McCain's pleasant treatment at the Sheraton

Yea, let's get Obama to run with that one.  Sure sounds like a winner
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