Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy?

[Amianthus]

Every other doctor not under the thumb of government types and who didn't burn their notes, is quoted ad nauseam and shown in video over and over again as saying the back of his head was blown out.

The three doctors are the ones who performed the autopsy. Who are these other doctors?

Besides, you said "every doctor" - I provided three that disagree with that statement. Backpedaling, are you?

[larry]

The Democratic Social State Philosophy came to an end as a result of the killings.

Nonsense.

Medicare, Medicaid, Affirmative Action and Quotas, Earned Income Credits, Healthy Kids Programs,  Headstart and other programs too numerous to list came after Dallas.

What happen after Dallas, is what put Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in office. What happen after Dallas laid the groundwork for a more authoritarian type of government. What happen after Dallas was forty years of undermining the U.S. Constitution and as a result, we have George W. Bush, Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich types promoting racism and a fascist authoritarian state. The Democratic Social State ended with the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK. Rome was not built in a day and the fascist are still working on America, but they ain't looking as good as they did in 1980. The murderous regime of Reagan and Bush has lost much of its charm.

[Plane]

The Democratic Social State Philosophy came to an end as a result of the killings.

Nonsense.

Medicare, Medicaid, Affirmative Action and Quotas, Earned Income Credits, Healthy Kids Programs,  Headstart and other programs too numerous to list came after Dallas.

What happen after Dallas, is what put Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in office. What happen after Dallas laid the groundwork for a more authoritarian type of government. What happen after Dallas was forty years of undermining the U.S. Constitution and as a result, we have George W. Bush, Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich types promoting racism and a fascist authoritarian state. The Democratic Social State ended with the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK. Rome was not built in a day and the fascist are still working on America, but they ain't looking as good as they did in 1980. The murderous regime of Reagan and Bush has lost much of its charm.

How do you feel about the Johnson "Great Society" or the Republican initiative known as the "voteing rights act"?

[larry]

How do you feel about the Johnson "Great Society" or the Republican initiative known as the "voting rights act"?

Johnson's Great Society Program was a peace meal initiative in a time of hostilities, many aspects of the programs did more to keep people in poverty and segregate people than anything else.  I also feel many of the programs were used to fund radical fundametalist organizations. All in all I think Johnson, himself, was a bigot and a racist.  When government becomes too large and too complex, you can bet the general public have no idea of what is really being done.

The voting rights act was not sincere, the republicans knew they could rig elections with corrupt reapportionment tactics. Of course, Democrats have also used the same tactics. Term limitations for all members of both houses would bring real change.

[BT]

What happen after Dallas, is what put Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in office.

What happened after Dallas was the largest growth of the federal government since it's inception. Your thesis is flawed, blinded by your own biases.

[larry]

What happen after Dallas, is what put Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in office.

What happened after Dallas was the largest growth of the federal government since it's inception. Your thesis is flawed, blinded by your own biases.

No, BT, my comments are based on the results of "HUD, job training programs, and the foodstamp act. All of those acts were double edge swards. What they did is sustain a poverty class, so, employers could continue to pay low wages. The minimum wage laws, were yet another double edge sward. As long as an employer paid minimum wage, the employees could not go on strike for better wages. Where do I begin with the religious organization being funded as "social service" providers. Johnson, was either, stupid or prejudice to have signed those acts. How could congress not have known these acts would benefit corporate America far more than the would benefit the poor?

[BT]

Your original statementwas that Dallas killed the Democrat Socialist State. In fact the trend is towards just the opposite.

Keep calling for universal health care. The corporations would love for the government to take over payments.

[Religious Dick]

Yep. Could have, might have, should have.

But still no proof.

And no proof that it wasn't.

Well, I can't prove the Lord didn't create the earth 6000 years ago, complete with artifacts giving the impression it's billions of years old, either.

I can't find any evidence to support that conclusion, either.

Are you just being intellectually honest?  Is that all you're doing, or have you ruled out a conspiracy altogether?

Do I think it's possible Oswald had help in the planning and execution? Sure. Possible. But nobody has ever been to prove that. More than one gunman? Could be, but where are the bullets?

Now, I understand there are some parts of the official explanation that seem implausible, say the single bullet theory. But I'd still have to  say the single bullet theory is a lot more plausible than any conspiracy theory I've heard.

And that's my problem with the conspiracy theories - every one of them that I've heard requires at least as big a leap of faith as the Warren Report does, and usually then some.

I finally came to the conclusion that for all it's flaws, the Warren Report was at least as plausible as any conspiracy theory I've heard, and more so than most. And further, it offers the simplest explanation of the available facts.

[larry]

Your original statementwas that Dallas killed the Democrat Socialist State. In fact the trend is toward just the opposite.

Keep calling for universal health care. The corporations would love for the government to take over payments.

The trend is not toward socialism, the trend is towrads something much closer to a police state and health care facilities and employers have been recruited to act as police operatives. What we see today in America is, sectarian violence toward a secular nation. Yes government is bigger, but it is not socialism, it is a kindlier gentler form of fascism. That change began with the assassinations of JFK,RFK and MLK.

[Religious Dick]

The trend is not toward socialism, the trend is towrads something much closer to a police state and health care facilities and employers have been recruited to act as police operatives. What we see today in America is, sectarian violence toward a secular nation. Yes government is bigger, but it is not socialism, it is a kindlier gentler form of fascism. That change began with the assassinations of JFK,RFK and MLK.

I agree with your assessment, but I'd say the change actually began under FDR.

Recommended reading: As We Go Marching, by John T. Flynn, available free as a PDF:

http://www.mises.org/books/aswegomarching.pdf

[BT]

I agree with your assessment, but I'd say the change actually began under FDR.

If that is the case, we never had a Democratic Socialist State. And Larry, Dallas could not have ended what we never had.

[larry]

Thanks for the PDF. I saved the URL so I can read all of it when I have more time. What you said about FDR, I can agree with. I think the Conservatives took it to the next level, under Reagan's economic, domestic and foreign policies. The dramatic changes that began under Reagan open the door of imperial power a lot wider.

[Amianthus]

Now, I understand there are some parts of the official explanation that seem implausible, say the single bullet theory. But I'd still have to  say the single bullet theory is a lot more plausible than any conspiracy theory I've heard.

The single bullet theory works. Computer modelling shows that the bullet path is straight until it hits a bone, then it was straight again after the deflection.

[sirs]

I just find it odd that you aren't giving BT any grief about his believing that there was a conspiracy and you seem to put a lot of onus on me to prove every little thing that happened.  The facts are that Kennedy was hit in the head twice nearly simoultaneously.  His head was thrown back and that proves that he was hit from the front.  The Book Depository was behind him.  Oswald was in the second floor lunchroom when it all went down.  That's where eyewitnesses put him.

Here's precisely why I don't give near the grief to BT as I rightly apply to you.  It's your OPINION that he was shot simulataneously, hardly a fact.  It's your OPINION that Oswald was in the lunchroom at PRECISELY the instance Kennedy was shot, hardly a fact.  It's that kind of ridiculous opinionated crap trying to be applied as some scientific fact, that folks like you keep throwing out like a "gorilla throwing dust in the air".  And no, it doesn't concern me about yourself, as I do acknowledge the Elvis factor, is likely in play

[Xavier_Onassis]

Keep calling for universal health care. The corporations would love for the government to take over payments.

When ( and it WILL happen) we get health care in this country, it will not be because Brassmask or I or any loiberals, socialists or logical setient beings call for it, it will be precisely because the corporations cannot pay for it and compete with the Europeans, Mexicans, Japanese and even Koreans who have it.

NO ONE pays more for health care than the people in the US, and the health care we get is NOT AS GOOD. If it were, all those people would not be outliving us.

A socialized healthcare plan would mean more control of things like tobacco, cornsyrup sweeteners and transfatty acids for sure.

And that would benefit most of us as well.

Even Sirs would live longer, enabling him to bitch even more.