Did the CIA kill Bobby Kennedy?

[Brassmask]

grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

I can't change Dallas.

 

Knowing a little about AA myself, there is no guidance to ignore injustice in the program.  Dallas was an injustice, in my opinion, on Humanity, not just America.  It was an affront to Democracy and the Human desire for Justice dictates and demands that restitution be made for that abominable act.

We can't bring Kennedy back to life.  I'm not suggesting that we can but Humans are wily and we can figure out who shot the President 43 years ago.  It may take us 100 years but by god we will find the truth.  Just as the Jack The Ripper case has all but been closed, we will someday put this to rest.  Until we do, we can't really trust our government or those in it.

And I daresay, we can't trust that the system is working properly.

[Xavier_Onassis]

No, that is NOT the bottom line.  The bottom line is who, when, how, where, and most importantly WHY?  We, as a nation, MUST know the answers.  This cannot be just one of those things.

The guilty must hang.

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A noble statement, but it's not going to happen. These assassinations happened so long ago that most of the witnesses are dead. Unless some kingpin has a huge pang of remorse and fesses up, we won't ever get the truth, and the malefactors will not be punished.

It's like all the idiots that run around saying that this or that is "unacceptable".

Hey, it HAPPENED. It doesn't matter whether you want to say you accept it or not.

All you can say is that there is no bottom line.
We still arent' sure what happened to John Wilkes Booth. I think it's safe to say that he is dead now, but did he die in that barn, or did he change his identity and die much later?

[Amianthus]

Just as the Jack The Ripper case has all but been closed, we will someday put this to rest.

Really? So, who was Jack the Ripper?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Really? So, who was Jack the Ripper?

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The first victims were murdered by Prince Albert, but then Queen Victoria heard about it and became his accomplice.

[BT]

Until we do, we can't really trust our government or those in it.

And I daresay, we can't trust that the system is working properly.

So what else is new?

[Brassmask]

Just as the Jack The Ripper case has all but been closed, we will someday put this to rest.

Really? So, who was Jack the Ripper?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/jack-the-ripper-the-end_b_34606.html
According to this chick, apparently it was who the lead investigator thought it was the whole time:  some dude named George Chapman.  I'm sure you will take some humbrage at some sniggly part of it and say that it just couldn't have been him at all.  But you might surprise us somehow.

[Amianthus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/jack-the-ripper-the-end_b_34606.html
According to this chick, apparently it was who the lead investigator thought it was the whole time:  some dude named George Chapman.  I'm sure you will take some humbrage at some sniggly part of it and say that it just couldn't have been him at all.  But you might surprise us somehow.

No umbrage needed. It's just an opinion. There are 21 other suspects as well, including at least one woman, who was, at one time, a favored suspect of the lead investigator.

Also, Chapman was just 23 at the time of the murders, and all of the witnesses (except one) claimed that the Ripper was older than 30, possibly around 40 years old. The one who did not, estimated 28 years old. Also, the MO of the deaths that he was charged with (and convicted of one) did not fit with the Ripper - he was a poisoner, not a slasher.

There is a whole website about it. http://www.casebook.org/

[Brassmask]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larisa-alexandrovna/jack-the-ripper-the-end_b_34606.html
According to this chick, apparently it was who the lead investigator thought it was the whole time:  some dude named George Chapman.  I'm sure you will take some humbrage at some sniggly part of it and say that it just couldn't have been him at all.  But you might surprise us somehow.

No umbrage needed. It's just an opinion. There are 21 other suspects as well, including at least one woman, who was, at one time, a favored suspect of the lead investigator.

Also, Chapman was just 23 at the time of the murders, and all of the witnesses (except one) claimed that the Ripper was older than 30, possibly around 40 years old. The one who did not, estimated 28 years old. Also, the MO of the deaths that he was charged with (and convicted of one) did not fit with the Ripper - he was a poisoner, not a slasher.

There is a whole website about it. http://www.casebook.org/

They constructed a description of the guy from eyewtinesses and feel pretty confident he was the guy.  Most everyone is going with the idea it was Chapman.  You're just being contrarian now.

[Amianthus]

They constructed a description of the guy from eyewtinesses and feel pretty confident he was the guy.  Most everyone is going with the idea it was Chapman. 

From the Casebook site:

"Was this the face of Jack the Ripper?

"There's been a flurry of press recently surrounding this portrait, said to be the 'face of Jack the Ripper'. The composite sketch was put together by an analyst at the London Metropolitan Police, to be unveiled as part of a Channel Five documentary in the UK called 'Jack the Ripper: The First Serial Killer'. The drawing is based on a number of contemporary witness descriptions as given to the police, newspapers and inquests at the time.

"How accurate is it? Its impossible to say, but in all likelihood, the sketch contains more artistic fancy than actual police science. While it is true that we do know of many witnesses who claimed to have seen Jack the Ripper, we simply don't know which - if any - did actually see the killer. Even then, the descriptions given at the time were very generalized. Modern police sketches, called facial composites, require an in-depth interview with a witness, asking detailed questions about eyes, nose, lips, cheeks, chin, hairline, etc. Most contemporary witness descriptions only went so far as to describe the suspect's height, clothing, and possibly hair and skin color, as well as a perceived 'ethnicity' (many, not surprisingly, claimed he was a 'foreigner' - which at that time and place was generally taken to mean, a Jew). There simply isn't enough information in the surviving witness testimony to make such a detailed facial sketch of 'Jack the Ripper.'

"All that being said, it is interesting to note that this facial composite bears a striking resemblance to Ripper suspect George Chapman (aka Severin Klosowski), who is currently voted as the #1 likely suspect in an ongoing Casebook.org poll."

You're just being contrarian now.

Actually, my wife has always had a fascination with the Ripper, so I keep up on it. It is far from "[m]ost everyone is going with the idea it was Chapman." As a matter of fact, if you go to the poll at the Casebook site, you'll see that while Chapman leads, the top 5 are in a statistical dead heat. And the next 5 are pulling nearly identical numbers, too. So, it's a near 10-way tie for who "[m]ost everyone is going with."

[Brassmask]

They constructed a description of the guy from eyewtinesses and feel pretty confident he was the guy.  Most everyone is going with the idea it was Chapman. 

From the Casebook site:

"Was this the face of Jack the Ripper?

"There's been a flurry of press recently surrounding this portrait, said to be the 'face of Jack the Ripper'. The composite sketch was put together by an analyst at the London Metropolitan Police, to be unveiled as part of a Channel Five documentary in the UK called 'Jack the Ripper: The First Serial Killer'. The drawing is based on a number of contemporary witness descriptions as given to the police, newspapers and inquests at the time.

"How accurate is it? Its impossible to say, but in all likelihood, the sketch contains more artistic fancy than actual police science. While it is true that we do know of many witnesses who claimed to have seen Jack the Ripper, we simply don't know which - if any - did actually see the killer. Even then, the descriptions given at the time were very generalized. Modern police sketches, called facial composites, require an in-depth interview with a witness, asking detailed questions about eyes, nose, lips, cheeks, chin, hairline, etc. Most contemporary witness descriptions only went so far as to describe the suspect's height, clothing, and possibly hair and skin color, as well as a perceived 'ethnicity' (many, not surprisingly, claimed he was a 'foreigner' - which at that time and place was generally taken to mean, a Jew). There simply isn't enough information in the surviving witness testimony to make such a detailed facial sketch of 'Jack the Ripper.'

"All that being said, it is interesting to note that this facial composite bears a striking resemblance to Ripper suspect George Chapman (aka Severin Klosowski), who is currently voted as the #1 likely suspect in an ongoing Casebook.org poll."

You're just being contrarian now.

Actually, my wife has always had a fascination with the Ripper, so I keep up on it. It is far from "[m]ost everyone is going with the idea it was Chapman." As a matter of fact, if you go to the poll at the Casebook site, you'll see that while Chapman leads, the top 5 are in a statistical dead heat. And the next 5 are pulling nearly identical numbers, too. So, it's a near 10-way tie for who "[m]ost everyone is going with."

That's nice.

[larry]

grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

I can't change Dallas.

 

George H. W. Bush was a covert operative of the CIA at the time of the Bay Of Pigs Invasion. Jeb Bush, became the  Governor of Florida and George W. Bush, became President. The Florida connections to the 911 attack, clearly show many links to the Kennedy assassination. The MO for invading Cuba and the invasion of Iraq are from the same play book. The people who killed Kennedy, are still at large and living the good life in places like Miami and Huston.. Jeb Bush could have been governor of any state. Why Florida?  Connect the dots:
Hunt was typical of the opinion that the debacle had been Kennedy's fault, and not the responsibility of men like Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, who had designed it and recommended it. After the embarrassing failure of the invasion, which never evoked the hoped-for spontaneous anti-Castro insurrection, Kennedy fired Allen Dulles, his Harrimanite deputy Bissell, and CIA deputy Director Charles Cabell (whose brother was the mayor of Dallas at the time Kennedy was shot).
During the days after the Bay of Pigs debacle, Kennedy was deeply suspicious of the intelligence community and of proposals for military escalation in general, including in places like South Vietnam. Kennedy sought to procure an outside, expert opinion on military matters. For this he turned to the former commander in chief of the Southwest Pacific Theatre during World War II, General Douglas MacArthur. Almost ten years ago, a reliable source shared with one of the authors an account of a meeting between Kennedy and MacArthur in which the veteran general warned the young president that there were elements inside the US government who emphatically did not share his patriotic motives, and who were seeking to destroy his administration from within. MacArthur's warned that the forces bent on destroying Kennedy were centered in the Wall Street financial community and its various tentacles in the intelligence community.
A body of leads has been assembled which suggests that George Bush may have been associated with the CIA at some time before the autumn of 1963. According to Joseph McBride of The Nation, "a source with close connections to the intelligence community confirms that Bush started working for the agency in 1960 or 1961, using his oil business as a cover for clandestine activities." 1 By the time of the Kennedy assassination, we have an official FBI document which refers to "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency," and despite official disclaimers there is every reason to think that this is indeed the man in the White House today. The mystery of George Bush as a possible covert operator hinges on four points, each one of which represents one of the great political and espionage scandals of postwar American history. These four cardinal points are:
1. The abortive Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, launched on April 16-17, 1961, prepared with the assistance of the CIA's "Miami Station" (also known under the code name JM/WAVE). After the failure of the amphibious landings of Brigade 2506, Miami station, under the leadership of Theodore Shackley, became the focus for Operation Mongoose, a series of covert operations directed against Castro, Cuba, and possibly other targets.
2. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on November 22, 1963, and the coverup of those responsible for this crime.
3. The Watergate scandal, beginning with an April, 1971 visit to Miami, Florida by E. Howard Hunt on the tenth anniversary of the Bay of Pigs invasion to recruit operatives for the White House Special Investigations Unit (the "Plumbers" and later Watergate burglars) from among Cuban-American Bay of Pigs veterans.
4. The Iran-contra affair, which became a public scandal during October-November 1986, several of whose central figures, such as Felix Rodriguez, were also veterans of the Bay of Pigs.

[larry]

Yes he was running an oil company and he used it as a front for CIA covert activities.

[Amianthus]

Yes he was running an oil company and he used it as a front for CIA covert activities.

No evidence of that.

[larry]

Yes he was running an oil company and he used it as a front for CIA covert activities.

No evidence of that.

Actually, there is evidence as shown in post #58, there has never been an official investigation, so, at best all one can say is there is unproven evidence. Off course, Bush is only one of the Elite oil interest with their finger prints all over the MO of creating insurrection, to destabilize governments in South America, Africa and the Middle East. The game plan has not changed and the father like son, scenario, is clearly on display as a result of George W. calling up his father's crony to manage the insurrection of Iraq.

There is evidence of that

[Amianthus]

so, at best all one can say is there is unproven evidence.

Otherwise known as "speculation" or "opinion."