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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2010, 11:12:58 AM »
Oh, I realize she's only 1 of 9.  But her say so is an ultimate country wide binding decision.  No longer having to ignore the law, she becomes the law.....with 4+ of her other justices
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2010, 11:47:11 AM »
I doubt the court will change direction, simply because she is added, because she is replacing a left leaning vote.

And let's get real here for a minute.

Did you expect Obama to appoint a conservative to the bench?


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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2010, 11:52:44 AM »
Of course not.  One would have thought that at least it would have been someone with some judicial experience, even a little
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2010, 12:12:30 PM »
Even a lack of judicial experience is not a disqualifier:

Supreme Court Justices Without Prior Judicial Experience Before Becoming Justices

      Supreme Court Center > Supreme Court > Justices > No Prior Judicial Experience

Name of Justice    Prior Occupations    Years On Court    Appointed By President:
1.  William Rehnquist    Asst. U.S. Attorney General    1972-2005    Nixon (Assoc., 1972),
Reagan (Chief, 1986)
2.  Lewis Powell    President of the American Bar Ass'n,
Private Practice    1972-1987    Nixon
3.  Abe Fortas    Private Practice    1965-1969    Johnson
4.  Byron White    Deputy U.S. Attorney General    1962-1993    Kennedy
5.  Arthur Goldberg    U.S. Secretary of Labor    1962-1965    Kennedy
6.  Earl Warren    Governor of California    1953-1969    Eisenhower
7.  Tom Clark    U.S. Attorney General    1949-1967    Truman
8.  Harold Burton    U.S. Senator    1945-1958    Truman
9.  Robert Jackson    U.S. Attorney General    1941-1954    F. Roosevelt
10.  James Francis Byrnes    U.S. Senator    1941-1942    F. Roosevelt
11.  William O. Douglas    Chairman of the S.E.C.    1939-1975    F. Roosevelt
12.  Felix Frankfurter    Asst. U.S. Attorney, Asst. Secretary of War,
Prof. of Law at Harvard    1939-1962    F. Roosevelt
13.  Stanley Forman Reed    U.S. Solicitor General    1938-1957    F. Roosevelt
14.  Owen Josephus Roberts    Special Counsel in "Teapot Dome" investigation and trials    1930-1945    Hoover
15.  Harlan Fiske Stone    U.S. Attorney General    1925-1946    Coolidge (Assoc., 1925),
F. Roosevelt (Chief, 1941)
16.  Pierce Butler    County Attorney, Private Practice    1923-1939    Harding
17.  George Sutherland    U.S. Senator    1922-1938    Harding
18.  Louis Brandeis    Private Practice    1916-1939    Wilson
19.  James Clark McReynolds    U.S. Attorney General    1914-1941    Wilson
20.  Charles Evans Hughes    Governor of New York,
U.S. Secretary of State    1910-1916,
1930-1941    Taft (Assoc., 1910),
Hoover (Chief, 1930)
21.  William Henry Moody    U.S. Attorney General    1906-1910    T. Roosevelt

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2010, 12:30:03 PM »
Even a lack of judicial experience is not a disqualifier

Never said it was

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2010, 12:32:26 PM »
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Never said it was

You implied it was a shortcoming and history proves that is not always the case.


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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2010, 12:44:47 PM »

"In other words the rule of law means more to her than her personal feelings towards
the Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy. In other words, maintaining federal funding to an .
institution she is in charge of is more important than her personal feelings towards
Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy. In other words she is more a pragmatist than an idealist"


Or in other words with her back against the wall she doesn't commit suicide.

In other words, the left has more reason for disappointment than the right has for fear.  

I doubt that, although I hear she may be open to some limits on late term murder abortion.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2010, 01:30:21 PM »
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Never said it was

You implied it was a shortcoming and history proves that is not always the case.

Never said or even implied always, either.  It is decidedly however, a shortcoming in this instance, IMHO
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2010, 01:45:09 PM »
SIRS....the thing about it is...if it's not this Kagan socialist/communist it
will just be different one....pick your poison...Obama isn't appointing Scalia II

I suppose the hope would be to get a disqualification on the 1st and/or 2nd candidate
hoping that in order to squash the controversy Obama would choose a moderate just
to make sure someone is quickly seated after a PR nightmare of 1 or 2 withdrawls.
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2010, 02:26:29 PM »
Oh I concur with both you & Bt, that this was a pick everyone should have expected....a hard core LW liberal ideolgue.  In this case, even without any Judicial experience to boot.  I don't see how highlighting that point is somehow below the belt.  This merely needs to motivate the GOP & Conservatives to help educate the electorate all the more.  Can't do a better job than at her confirmation hearing, and then taking that on to the campaign trail for both 2010 & 2012
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2010, 06:18:43 PM »
Kagan?s Just the Latest Radical Obama Lawyer

President Obama went back to the radical bullpen for his second Supreme Court nominee. Solicitor General Elena Kagan, former dean of Harvard Law School, is a legal activist who tried to boot recruiters off Harvard?s campus because of the military?s homosexuality policy.

Some observers thought D.C. Circuit Judge Merrick Garland might get the nod, since he drew favorable comment as a ?reasonable? choice to succeed John Paul Stevens. But President Obama is not into ?reasonable.? As a student of agitator/activist Saul Alinsky, he prefers to be ?in your face.?

While Kagan did some outreach to the conservative Federalist Society at Harvard, she also carries some baggage: no judicial experience, a pro-homosexual agenda and, yes, a mysterious ?sexual orientation.? The liberal media are going to have a tough time selling her as a ?mainstream? nominee. As Solicitor General, she has worked to undermine the military ban and also the Defense of Marriage Act, which is why the Human Rights Campaign, the largest gay pressure group, issued a press release hailing her nomination. Marriage defender Maggie Gallagher bluntly wrote on May 10, ?A vote for Kagan is a vote for Gay Marriage.?

Mr. Obama?s legal appointees to the courts and federal agencies comprise radicals who support an unlimited federal government, a ?living Constitution,? racial and sexual entitlement, contempt for American security and the elevation of foreign opinion over that of American lawmakers. Miss Kagan fits right in.

Here are some of the lawyers that Mr. Obama has appointed:

Goodwin Liu to the Ninth Circuit. In March, 42 of California's 58 district attorneys signed a letter urging the Senate Judiciary Committee to reject Liu, a UC Berkeley law professor, stating, ?his views on criminal law, capital punishment, and the role of the federal courts in second-guessing state decisions are fully aligned with the judges who have made the Ninth Circuit the extreme outlier that it presently is.? Outlier is the polite word for ?joke.?

In a book Liu co-authored, Keeping Faith with the Constitution, he wrote that ?evolving norms and traditions of our society? should be the key to interpreting the Constitution. He also joined a brief arguing that the equal protection clause contains a ?right? to same-sex marriage. During a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on April 16, Liu cheerfully insisted that his radical writings provide no clue as to how he?d rule as a judge. Huh?

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Mr. Holder wants to bring terrorists to trial in civilian courts, has called America a ?nation of cowards? for not being obsessed with race, and allowed the Justice Department to drop counts against New Black Panther Party members charged with voter intimidation in Philadelphia in 2008.

David Ogden, Deputy Attorney General (confirmed March 12, 2009; resigned Dec. 2, 2009). Mr. Ogden not only defended child pornography during the Clinton years (Knox v. United States, 1993), but represented hard-core porn producers, plus Playboy and Penthouse. He also likened peaceful pro-life abortion protesters to mobsters by arguing for penalties under the RICO organized crime statute (Sheidler v. National Organization for Women, 2003).

Cass Sunstein, Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Sunstein has written that animals have the right to sue, that the government owns our vital organs, that marriage laws should be abolished, and that the Second Amendment doesn?t apply to individuals.

Harold Koh, State Department legal advisor. A self-described ?transnationalist,? Mr. Koh sided with European elites over Texas lawmakers (Lawrence v. Texas, 2003), and sued his fellow Yalie, John Yoo, over interrogation memoranda during the Bush Administration. In 2002, Koh urged the Senate Foreign Relations committee to approve the CEDAW treaty, which President Carter signed in 1980 but the Senate never ratified because CEDAW is a cauldron of radical feminism and collectivism.

Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, U.S. Supreme Court. From 1980 until 1992, Sotomayor served on the board of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund. The New York Times described her as ?a top policy maker on the board? at a time when the fund filed briefs in six cases on behalf of ?abortion rights.? In Ohio v. Akron Center (1990), the fund wrote that it ?opposes any efforts to overturn or in any way restrict the rights recognized in Roe v. Wade,? which would mean opposing bans on partial birth abortion and taking minors across state lines for abortions without parental knowledge. Sotomayor, who famously asserted privilege as a ?wise Latina,? has shown a fondness for racial preferences, and she joined the Court?s minority against the Mojave Desert veterans memorial cross (April 28).

Dawn Johnsen, appointed to Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel. Johnsen was skipped in the 15 recess appointees made on March 27. An ACLU staff counsel and legal director for the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL), she equated having a baby with slavery in an amicus brief in Webster v. Reproductive Health Services (1989).

Chai Feldblum, Equal Employment Opportunity Commissioner. A lesbian activist at Georgetown Law Center, she said she can?t think of an instance in which religious freedom trumps ?gay rights.? Feldblum helped draft the Employment Non Discrimination Act (ENDA), which would impose the homosexual political agenda on every workplace with 15 or more employees. She signed a manifesto calling for legalizing multiple-partner relationships, a position she retracted at her Senate hearing.

Thomas Perrelli, Associate Attorney General. Perrelli was the lawyer for Michael Schiavo, who had his brain-damaged wife Terri taken off life support against the wishes of her brother and parents. As the No. 3 Justice Department official, Perrelli approved dropping charges in May 2009 against three New Black Panther Party members who had been charged with intimidating voters in Philadelphia in 2008.

David Hamilton, Judge, Second U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Hamilton is the U.S. District judge who enjoined the Indiana House in 2005 from allowing a pastor to mention the name of Jesus in an opening prayer, but in another case said it was fine to cite Allah.

The pattern is clear. Mr. Obama is front-loading the government with radicals who would be very much at home with Saul Alinsky, if not in style, then in political substance.

Elena Kagan?s willingness to work with a few conservatives has earned her some respect as a pragmatist. But it?s a good bet that she?d become a fire-breathing leftist when safely seated ? for life.


It is his pick to make, though
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2010, 07:40:11 PM »
Please explain to me how she tried to boot military recruiters off campus when it was Harvard policy from 1979 onward almost consistently to limit recruiters on campus?

Her critics are going to end up looking stupid over this, because they aren't being honest.

Better to attack her over her lack of judicial experience, at least that is an honest argument.

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2010, 07:45:18 PM »
I think we've already addressed that point, Bt.
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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2010, 08:05:46 PM »
Yes we did.

The timeline was demonstrated to you, yet you post some other opinion piece that misrepresents the truth like it would eradicate the facts of the case.

It doesn't.

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Re: Solicitor General Elena Kagan
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2010, 08:30:29 PM »
I posted another opinion peice that had prescious little to do with Kagan's role on recruiters, and far more to do with Obama's judgement in picks
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle