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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2006, 08:52:33 AM »
I repeat.

Of roughly 159 persons, there were 9 listed by Venona - most of whom were already being investigated by the FBI years before McCarthy yelled around in the Senate: Lauchlin Currie, Harold Glasser, Gerald Graze, Standley Graze, Many Jane Keeney, David Karr, Robert T. Miller, Franz Neumann, and William Remington.

Despite William F Buckley's and the John Birch Society's revisionism, McCarthy wasn't some shining example of shattering espionage. He was batting 5.6% and that was only because he was already using data provided by other subcommittees. He stood on the shoulders of weak data and made it weaker. Why the extreme right idolises that is really beyond me.
I smell something burning, hope it's just my brains.
They're only dropping peppermints and daisy-chains
   So stuff my nose with garlic
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   Fill my ears with silver
   Stick my legs in plaster
   Tell me lies about Vietnam.

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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2006, 09:04:06 AM »
I repeat.

Of roughly 159 persons, there were 9 listed by Venona - most of whom were already being investigated by the FBI years before McCarthy yelled around in the Senate: Lauchlin Currie, Harold Glasser, Gerald Graze, Standley Graze, Many Jane Keeney, David Karr, Robert T. Miller, Franz Neumann, and William Remington.

Please provide the list of 159 persons that McCarthy published. I'd like to verify this.
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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2006, 09:46:39 AM »
You'll notice Acheson, Pearson and Marshall on here as well. McCarthy was well out of control by then. The Second list is the only one not specifically cited by McCarthy, though he often said that the entire Lee List should be investigated.


Lee List numbers cited by McCarthy
Arndt, Ernest Theodore:  McCarthy list # 14; Lee List # 10; Not identified in Venona
Barnett, Mrs. Robert Warren:  McCarthy list # 49; Lee List # 59; Not identified in Venona
Barnett, Robert Warren:  McCarthy list # 48; Lee List # 59; Not identified in Venona
Berman, Harold:  McCarthy list # 70; Lee List # 85; Not identified in Venona
Brunauer, Esther Caukin:  McCarthy list # 47; Lee List # 55; Not identified in Venona
Cameron, Gertrude:  McCarthy list # 55; Lee List # 65; Not identified in Venona
Carlisle, Lois:  McCarthy list # 58; Lee List # 68; Not identified in Venona
Carter, William D.:  McCarthy list # 44; Lee List # 50; Not identified in Venona
Chipchin, Nelson:  McCarthy list # 23; Not on Lee List: Benign identification in Venona[4]
Clucas, Lowell M., Jr.:  McCarthy list # 26; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Delgado, Mucio:  McCarthy list # 21; Lee List # 28; Not identified in Venona
Demerjian, Alice:  McCarthy list # 61; Lee List # 72; Not identified in Venona
Dubois, Cora:  McCarthy list # 60; Lee List # 70; Not identified in Venona
Ferry, Frances:  McCarthy list # 11; Lee List # 8; Not identified in Venona
Fierst, Herbert:  McCarthy list # 1; Lee List # 51; Not identified in Venona
Fishback, Sam:  McCarthy list # 43; Lee List # 49; Not identified in Venona
Ford, James T.:  McCarthy list # 76; Lee List # 96; Not identified in Venona
Gordon, Stella:  McCarthy list # 40; Lee List # 45; Not identified in Venona
Graze, Gerald:  McCarthy list # 29; Lee List # 25; Not identified in Venona
Graze, Stanley:  McCarthy list # 8; Lee List # 8; Not identified in Venona
Grondahl, Tegnel Conrad:  McCarthy list # 25; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Gross, Aaron Jack:  McCarthy list # 68; Lee List # 83; Not identified in Venona
Harrison, Marcia Ruth:  McCarthy list # 7; Lee List # 4; Not identified in Venona
Horwin, Leonard:  McCarthy list # 73; Lee List # 91; Not identified in Venona
Hunt, Victor:  McCarthy list # 65; Lee List # 79; Not identified in Venona
Ilyefalvi-Vites, Gizella:  McCarthy list # 4; Lee List # 3; Not identified in Venona
Jankowski, Joseph T.:  McCarthy list # 74; Lee List # 92; Not identified in Venona
Jessup, Philip:  McCarthy list # 15; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Josephson, Joseph:  McCarthy list # 30; Lee List # 28; Not identified in Venona
Kamarck, Andrew W.:  McCarthy list # 78; Lee List # 100; Not identified in Venona
Katusich, Ivan:  McCarthy list # 27; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Kaufman, Arthur Milton:  McCarthy list # 38; Lee List # 43; Not identified in Venona
Kopelewish, Esther Less aka Mrs. Less:  McCarthy list # 24; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Lansberg, Hans:  McCarthy list # 28; Lee List # 21; Not identified in Venona
Lemon, Edythe J.:  McCarthy list # 18; Lee List # 16; Not identified in Venona
Lewis, Mrs. Preston Keesling:  McCarthy list # 75; Lee List # 93; Not identified in Venona
Lifantieff-Lee, Paul A.:  McCarthy list # 56; Lee List # 66; Not identified in Venona
Lindsey, John Richard:  McCarthy list # 67; Lee List # 81; Not identified in Venona
Lloyd, David Demarest:  McCarthy list # 9; Lee List # 99; Not identified in Venona
Lorwin, Val R.:  McCarthy list # 54; Lee List # 64; Not identified in Venona
Maguite, Sylvia:  McCarthy list # 69; Lee List # 84; Not identified in Venona
Mann, Gottfried Thomas:  McCarthy list # 42; Lee List # 47; Not identified in Venona
Margolies, Daniel F.:  McCarthy list # 41; Lee List # 46; Not identified in Venona
Margolin, Arnold D.:  McCarthy list # 72; Lee List # 90; Not identified in Venona
Meigs, Peveril:  McCarthy list # 3; Lee List # 2; Not identified in Venona
Miller, Robert T.:  McCarthy list # 16; Lee List # 12; Not identified in Venona
Montague, Ella M.:  McCarthy list # 34; Lee List # 32; Not identified in Venona
Neal, Fred Warner:  McCarthy list # 57; Lee List # 67; Not identified in Venona
Ness, Norman T.:  McCarthy list # 45; Lee List # 53; Not identified in Venona
Neumann, Franz Leopold:  McCarthy list # 59; Lee List # 69; Not identified in Venona
Osnatch, Olga F.:  McCarthy list # 37; Lee List # 42; Not identified in Venona
Parsons, Ruby A.:  McCarthy list # 81; Lee List # 78; Not identified in Venona
Perkins, Isham W.:  McCarthy list # 62; Lee List # 73; Not identified in Venona
Peter, Hollis W.:  McCarthy list # 64; Lee List # 76; Not identified in Venona
Polyzoides, T. Achilles:  McCarthy list # 79; Lee List # 105; Not identified in Venona
Posner, Marjorie S.:  McCarthy list # 10; Lee List # 7; Not identified in Venona
Posniak, Edward G.:  McCarthy list # 77; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Post, Richard:  McCarthy list # 53; Lee List # 63; Not identified in Venona
Raine, Philip:  McCarthy list # 52; Lee List # 62; Not identified in Venona
Randolph, David (aka Rosenberg):  McCarthy list # 66; Lee List # 80; Not identified in Venona
Rapoport, Alexander:  McCarthy list # 22; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona
Remington, William:  McCarthy list # 19; Not on Lee List; Not identified in Venona.
Robinson, Jay:  McCarthy list # 5; Lee List # 5; Not identified in Venona
Rommel, Rowena:  McCarthy list # 51; Lee List # 61; Not identified in Venona
Ross, Lewis:  McCarthy list # 31; Lee List # 29; Not identified in Venona
Ross, Robert:  McCarthy list # 32; Lee List # 30; Not identified in Venona
Schimmel, Sylvia:  McCarthy list # 50; Lee List # 60; Not identified in Venona
Shell, Melville:  McCarthy list # 35; Lee List # 34; Not identified in Venona
Siegel, Herman:  McCarthy list # 33; Lee List # 31; Not identified in Venona
Smith, S. Stevenson:  McCarthy list # 20; Lee List # 20; Not identified in Venona
Smith (Schmidt), Frederick W.:  McCarthy list # 36; Lee List # 40; Not identified in Venona
Stoinaoff, Stoian:  McCarthy list # 71; Lee List # 87; Not identified in Venona
Stone, William T.:  McCarthy list # 46; Lee List # 54; Not identified in Venona
Taylor, Jeanne E.:  McCarthy list # 17; Lee List # 14; Not identified in Venona
Tuchscher, Frances M.:  McCarthy list # 6; Lee List # 6; Not identified in Venona
Vincent, John Carter:  McCarthy list # 2; Lee List # 52; Not identified in Venona
Volin, Maz A.:  McCarthy list # 39; Lee List # 44; Not identified in Venona
Washburn, John T.:  McCarthy list # 80; Lee List # 106; Not identified in Venona
Washburne, Carleton:  McCarthy list # 13; Lee List # 9; Not identified in Venona
Wilcox, Stanley:  McCarthy list # 63; Lee List # 75; Not identified in Venona
Yuhas, Helen:  McCarthy list # 12; Lee List # 107; Not identified in Venona

Lee List names curiously not cited by McCarthy
Alexander, Dorothy Helen:  Lee List # 38; Not identified in Venona
Blaisdell, Donald C.:  Lee List # 103; Not identified in Venona
Borton, Hugh:  Lee List # 57; Not identified in Venona
Burlingame, Robert Sparks:  Lee List # 108; Not identified in Venona
DeMoretz, Shirley T.:  Lee List # 27; Not identified in Venona
Elinson, Marcelle D.:  Lee List # 104; Not identified in Venona
Eminowicz, Halina D.:  Lee List # 48; Not identified in Venona
Fine, Sherwood Monroe:  Lee List # 23; Not identified in Venona
Fishburn, John Tipton:  Lee List # 106; Not identified in Venona
Forno, Joseph T.:  Lee List # 96; Not identified in Venona
Fournier, Norman L.:  Lee List # 98; Not identified in Venona
Hankin, Robert:  Lee List # 94; Not identified in Venona
Hughes, Henry Stuart:  Lee List # 77; Not identified in Venona
Jackson, Malcolm Aage:  Lee List # 15; Not identified in Venona
Kamarck, Andrew W.:  Lee List # 100; Not identified in Venona
Lazarus, Theodore:  Lee List # 26; Not identified in Venona
Lovell, Leander Bell:  Lee List # 22; Not identified in Venona
Lunning, Just:  Lee List # 11; Not identified in Venona
Magruder, John H., III:  Lee List # 17; Not identified in Venona
Mallon, Dwight S.:  Lee List # 89; Not identified in Venona
Martin, Shirley Mae:  Lee List # 33; Not identified in Venona
Martingale, Rose Marie:  Lee List # 37; Not identified in Venona
McDavid, Raven I., Jr.:  Lee List # 19; Not identified in Venona
Moore, Leith Celestia:  Lee List # 18; Not identified in Venona
Parker, Glen T.:  Lee List # 95; Not identified in Venona
Pesto, Paula Pavedo:  Lee List # 82; Not identified in Venona
Rennie, Leonard C.:  Lee List # 13; Not identified in Venona
Rose, Ernest William:  Lee List # 41; Not identified in Venona
Rosenthal, Albert H.:  Lee List # 97; Not identified in Venona
Rothwell, George J.:  Lee List # 7; Not identified in Venona
Royce, Edith M.:  Lee List # 35; Not identified in Venona
Rudlin, Walter Arthur:  Lee List # 56;  Ambiguously identified in Venona
Salmon, Thomas R.:  Lee List # 39; Not identified in Venona
Shevlin, Lorraine Arnold:  Lee List # 86; Not identified in Venona
Smothers, Frank Albert:  Lee List # 102; Not identified in Venona
Thomson, Charles A.:  Lee List # 58; Not identified in Venona
Thursz, Jonathan:  Lee List # 74; Not identified in Venona
Toory, Dr. Frank P.:  Lee List # 88; Not identified in Venona
Tuckerman, Gustavus:  Lee List # 101; Not identified in Venona
Wilfert, Howard F.:  Lee List # 36; Not identified in Venona
Wood, James E.:  Lee List # 24; Not identified in Venona

Names personally given to the Tydings Subcommittee by McCarthy
Askwith, Edna Jerry:  Not identified in Venona 
Erdos, Arpad:  Not identified in Venona
Grajdanzeve, Andrew aka Grade, Andrew:  Not identified in Venona
Harris, Reed:  Not identified in Venona  Not identified in Venona
Henkin, Louis:  Not identified in Venona
Hulten, Charles M.:  Not identified in Venona
Ingram, George Mason:  Not identified in Venona
Ludden, Raymond Paul:  Not identified in Venona
Meeker, Leonard C.:  Not identified in Venona
Nelson, Clarence J.:  Not identified in Venona
Newbegin, Robert:  Not identified in Venona
Ramon, Josephine:  Not identified in Venona
Rowe, James W.:  Not identified in Venona
Sanders, William:  Not identified in Venona
Tate, Jack B.:  Not identified in Venona
Zablodgwskei, David:  Not identified in Venona

Senate Speeches 1950 to 1952
Brunauer, Stephen:  Not identified in Venona
Clubb, Oliver Edmund:  Not identified in Venona
Currie, Lauchlin: Identified in Venona as a Soviet Espionage Source
Davies, John Paton: Not identified in Venona
Duran, Gustavo:  Not identified in Venona
Geiger, Theodore:  Not identified in Venona
Glasser, Harold: Identified in Venona as a Soviet Espionage Source
Hanson, Haldore:  Not identified in Venona
Keeney, Mary Jane:  Identified in Venona as a Soviet Espionage Source
Kenyon, Dorothy:  Not identified in Venona
Kerserling, Mary:  Not identified in Venona
Keyserling, Leon:  Not identified in Venona
Lattimore, Owen:  Not identified in Venona
Nash, Philleo:  Not identified in Venona
Schuman, Frederick:  Not identified in Venona
Service, John Stewart:  Not identified in Venona.  Identified by FBI bugging in 1945 as having deliberately leaked DOS information to the pro-Communist journal Amerasia
Shapley, Harlow:  Not identified in Venona

Senate Speech 14 June 1951
Acheson, Dean:  Benign identification in Venona
Marshall, George C.: Benign identification in Venona

Senate Speech 19 December 1950
Karr, David: Identified in Venona as assisting Soviet Espionage
Pearson, Drew:  Benign Identification in Venona


I smell something burning, hope it's just my brains.
They're only dropping peppermints and daisy-chains
   So stuff my nose with garlic
   Coat my eyes with butter
   Fill my ears with silver
   Stick my legs in plaster
   Tell me lies about Vietnam.

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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2006, 09:55:15 AM »
Lee List numbers cited by McCarthy
...
Graze, Gerald:  McCarthy list # 29; Lee List # 25; Not identified in Venona
...

ROFL.

The first one I picked off your list as "Not identified" was listed in the Venona papers. Wonder what my hit percentage would be if I checked all the names.

List of Americans in the Venona papers
« Last Edit: December 06, 2006, 10:19:43 AM by Amianthus »
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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2006, 10:04:36 AM »
Be my guest, check every one, but I trust my source as reliable.

I cannot connect to your wiki link, by the way.

I smell something burning, hope it's just my brains.
They're only dropping peppermints and daisy-chains
   So stuff my nose with garlic
   Coat my eyes with butter
   Fill my ears with silver
   Stick my legs in plaster
   Tell me lies about Vietnam.

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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2006, 10:20:31 AM »
Be my guest, check every one, but I trust my source as reliable.

Well, I found one already that was unreliable.

I cannot connect to your wiki link, by the way.

Fixed the link.
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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2006, 12:11:43 PM »
Any more?
I smell something burning, hope it's just my brains.
They're only dropping peppermints and daisy-chains
   So stuff my nose with garlic
   Coat my eyes with butter
   Fill my ears with silver
   Stick my legs in plaster
   Tell me lies about Vietnam.

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Re: Seven Days In May
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2006, 03:53:28 PM »
Any more?

Not yet. Working wierd hours this week due to training the operations people in Boston.
Do not anticipate trouble, or worry about what may never happen. Keep in the sunlight. (Benjamin Franklin)