Libertarians' Blind Spots

[sirs]

Naaa, my wife is the one always right.  I simply know everything

[Christians4LessGvt]

[Religious Dick]

Ray Stevens - Come to the USA

[Christians4LessGvt]

[Plane]

So the libertarian blind spots are nonexistent? 'Cause I don't see any listed in that column. Mostly I see some silly questions and some weak arguments.

I think that your not seeing the blind spots proves Williams point.


Does each individual on the planet have a natural or God-given right to live in the U.S.?

Yes , of course they do.

[sirs]

So the libertarian blind spots are nonexistent? 'Cause I don't see any listed in that column. Mostly I see some silly questions and some weak arguments.

I think that your not seeing the blind spots proves Williams point.

Duh....leave it to Plane to see the tree, within the forest.  Why didn't I catch that?   grrrrrr

[Universe Prince]

So the libertarian blind spots are nonexistent? 'Cause I don't see any listed in that column. Mostly I see some silly questions and some weak arguments.

I think that your not seeing the blind spots proves Williams point.

Then show me the blind spots.

Does each individual on the planet have a natural or God-given right to live in the U.S.?

Yes , of course they do.

They do? Really? You think that is the answer for which Williams is looking?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Does each individual on the planet have a natural or God-given right to live in the U.S.?

Yes , of course they do.
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They do what?

This is an either/or question, isn't it?

Is their right natural or God-given? Which?

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I'd say neither. And that doesn't matter, because neither Nature nor God is in charge of the legal aspect.
Those who are born here have a legal right to live here, as do those who have been legally admitted.

I don't think God or Nature get involved with this: when someone approaches the border, the one sure thing that does not happen is God booming in his best James Earl Jones voice "Come In!" or "Stay out!". Neither are earthquakes, tidal waves or volcanic forces likely to endorse or reject the admission or prevention of entry to any prospective immigrant. This means that God and Nature are silent on this issue.

[Plane]

As a matter of principal and law, we can require qualifacations on immagrants.

But none of the requirements can forbid someone to try based on ethincity , class or race.

What sort of person ought be forbidden to become American?

Violent criminals ,I think we can agree, should have some reduction on their right to apply, but who elese? Violent Criminals earn their status.

I think that no accident of birth should amount to an insurmountable obsticle to becoming an American citizen.

[Plane]

Does each individual on the planet have a natural or God-given right to live in the U.S.?

Yes , of course they do.
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They do what?

This is an either/or question, isn't it?

Is their right natural or God-given? Which?

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I'd say neither. And that doesn't matter, because neither Nature nor God is in charge of the legal aspect.

Why not Yes -both?

[Universe Prince]

As a matter of principal and law, we can require qualifacations on immagrants.

Agreed.

But none of the requirements can forbid someone to try based on ethincity , class or race.

They can. They should not, but they can. And while few worry about ethnicity or race at the moment, many complain about class. The poor and unskilled should be kept out because they are no benefit to us, so I am told. I think that is pure nonsense.

What sort of person ought be forbidden to become American?

That is a citizenship issue. Not an immigration issue.

Violent criminals ,I think we can agree, should have some reduction on their right to apply, but who elese? Violent Criminals earn their status.

Agreed.

I think that no accident of birth should amount to an insurmountable obsticle to becoming an American citizen.

Again, that is a citizenship issue, not immigration. Being here legally and being an American citizen are two very different things.

I'm still waiting on someone to point out the blind spots I keep being told I have. If they are so obvious to others, pointing them out should be easy.

[Plane]

But none of the requirements can forbid someone to try based on ethincity , class or race.

They can. They should not, but they can. And while few worry about ethnicity or race at the moment, many complain about class. The poor and unskilled should be kept out because they are no benefit to us, so I am told. I think that is pure nonsense.

What sort of person ought be forbidden to become American?

That is a citizenship issue. Not an immigration issue.

  In order to conflate the two things , I posit that anyone qualified to become a citizen is also qualified to come here on a work visa even if he has no desire to become a citizen.

Undesireable is the same either way , but not all will want to stay.